I respect your opinion up to the point of forcing it on others. The big powerful government says that women should be punished, so just pay your taxes and stay quiet.
...and then you use the term "abortion holocaust" which filled your post with strawmen and falsehoods and hardly "toned it down" ….....Hilarious... ya got your butt kicked and are squirming... Here's another bit of strawmen, falsehoods and toning it down ?? YOU: ""Why do you think a child should be punished by ripping it limb from limb because his/her mother is an irresponsible slut?""" Here's another by YOU :""Why do you insist on dehumanizing children?""
FoxHastings said: ↑ Can you state exactly why you think abortion is wrong and women should be banned from getting abortions? So why is it OK with YOU to abort a rapist's baby? For whom?? UNANSWERED: """Can you state exactly why you think abortion is wrong and women should be banned from getting abortions?""
Then why do you make exceptions for rape victims....how are their fetuses different from any other fetus??
What a whopping load of BS! Misogynists blame women for what men do. What a whopping load of BS! Misogynists blame women for what men do. "we" doesn't have to know, that's up to the investigators...
So YOU want to use FORCE JUST LIKE THE RAPIST USED FORCE. Here's the righty attitude that if women just lay back and enjoy it they won't get hurt.. They REFUSE to acknowledge that many women are beaten , tortured, threatened, injured severely in the actual rape, are traumatized mentally as well as physically and may not even be able to choose what to do right away. They want to stand by her bedside screaming, "Decide NOW NOW you bad woman"... WHAT TF does that have to do with anything????
Right then. At what point in the pregnancy would you force a woman to gestation? 24 weeks? 30 weeks? 35 weeks?
I, personally? I wouldn't force a woman to do anything about her pregnancy. Her pregnancy is NONE OF MY, or anyone else's, business. I don't believe in forcing people who are doing nothing wrong to do anything. I am not on an ego trip. I accept the fact that fetuses are PROTECTED after viability because mentally stable , healthy women do NOT want an abortion after viability unless there is something wrong with her health or the fetus's health.
I've already commented on that but another question: Why didn't you go the other way ? if you believe it's OK to kill the rapist's fetus why wouldn't it be OK to abort other fetuses.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I, personally? I wouldn't force a woman to do anything about her pregnancy. Her pregnancy is NONE OF MY, or anyone else's, business. I don't believe in forcing people who are doing nothing wrong to do anything. I am not on an ego trip. I accept the fact that fetuses are PROTECTED after viability because mentally stable , healthy women do NOT want an abortion after viability unless there is something wrong with her health or the fetus's health. Uh, could you try READING a post BEFORE you quote it????
You and I are on the extremes. I figured you made a great argument against an exception for rape. I would like to know why you make no restriction at all? Seems like an extreme position.
NO, I made a great point about how Anti-Choicers DO NOT really care about the fetus...they just want to punish women who had consensual sex by forcing them to gestate. They display that by making exceptions if the sex was NONconsensual. In Canada they have no abortion laws and their abortion rate is the same as the US...maybe even lower. I believe gestation and abortion belong in the hands of the one who is pregnant
Fetus/baby is quite relevant. You use "baby" for emotional effect but they are two different things. You wouldn't call a toddler an infant. The same applies. A developing human embryo does not have the same rights as an adult. It is dependent on another human life for its existence and that human has a right to choose what happens to her body. Others do not have a right to choose for her as you seem to think. The two acts do not have the same impact. So there is a difference between the two.
I disagree, you do not want to answer because they are close and you do not like the answer. So you dodged the consequences of you beliefs again. Your stance would force a woman to remain pregnant and give birth against her will no matter her circumstances. You seem to think more of the fetus' rights than the woman's.
Oh C'MON!...even you have to admit that was a pretty silly statement....and totally irrelevant... was it meant to be a Big Mean Insult? It only got a laugh... I could comeback with conservatives care more about animals than women....but wouldn't that be pretty silly too, (even if true )
I didn't say 'right' as in 'law', I said 'right or wrong.' Can you explain the moral or ethical difference to my original question? What is this 'different impact'? BTW- Im pro-choice. I hate abortion, but it should be completely legal. So save the hasty presumptions for others, please.
You must excuse my confusion since you use pro-life terms and don't seem to understand the ethics of why you are pro-choice. The moral difference is an adult has different rights (not as in law) than a fetus. You have a right to decide what happens to your body. A person has a right not to be killed by you without sufficient reason. That reason has varied over time and by culture and I would say now theft is not a sufficient reason. A fetus starts out with basically no rights that grow with development. The woman has more rights than the fetus until birth as the OP admits ( to save the life of the mother). So even pro-life people admit that an adult has more of a right to life than a fetus therefore ending the life of an adult and a fetus are not the same.
