By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    It's actually factually correct and stats of civilians being shot in public proves it out. Again, I support those who choose to carry a gun.
     
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    Except just like flood insurance: It serves a need whether you have to employ it or not.
    Safety nets are like that
     
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    You live in a flood zone so I'm guessing you were forced by law to get flood insurance?
     
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    Actually no, I opted for it because though it wasn't a flood zone, knowing the area as I do it would've been ****ing stupid not to have flood insurance.
     
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    So it was a choice.
     
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    Yes and it provided something I needed.
     
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    Life's all about choices.
     
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    The problem with that kind of study is that they try to apply a general statistic to a specific location where no statistic is relevant..

    Show me the statistic that says I would be safer not owning a gun living in a location over fifteen minutes from law enforcement and no neighbor closer than a half mile and none within sight. Additionally, our house is on the road to a popular recreation area where they frequently use drugs and alcohol.
     
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    The disabling issue with the "most people" argument is no one knows for certain which group they are in.
     
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    By owning a firearm, you make the country a more dangerous place to live in.........especially for yourself.
     
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    Why do you make statements you know are not true?
     
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    America is a nation of citizens soldiers.

    There's the U.S. Militia Law and it's the law.

    Who is the militia ???

    Those serving in active duty in the U.S. Army, Air Force, Navy or Marine Corps or the reserves are not the militia.

    Those who belong to the state National Guard are the organized militia.

    All males 18 years of age or older who aren't serving on active duty in the military or belong to the Guard are members of the unorganized militia.

    Any American male who is in the unorganized militia who is not in possession of a military style rifle or a rifle chambered for a cartridge used by the U.S. military isn't in good standing with the U.S. militia.

    10 U.S. Code § 246.Militia: composition and classes
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
     
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    The Democrats have gone out if their way to flood America with Chi-Com AK-47's that anyone can afford an AK.

    But real Americans own rifles using the ArmaLite action or a military rifle using a gas piston.

    AK's are the weapon of choice of socialist, Islamic jihadist, gang members, liberals and the Democratic National Committee.
     
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    Nyet.jpg
     
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    You’ll have to take that up with yourself.

    Most of us who don’t own guns don’t think about any of the things you mention.
     
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    I have to disagree. In that your statement is to generalized. My gun sits in a locked safe until I take it out for target shooting. In no way does my locked up gun make the country a more dangerous place.
     
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    That isn’t a given. That’s a lie.

    We have the school shootings and other mass shootings to prove it.

    And fear is a conservative thing.

    Fearmongering is a core message in conservative media.

    I will guarantee you that the only people here who ran out and bought generators for Y2K, duct tape, or stocked up on ammunition in response to a fake ammunition shortage, are right wingers.

    Fox sells fear every day. It has been called the “Fox Fear Factory” for that reason. Their news models are there to tell you what new thing to be afraid of every day. Then sell you the cure.
     
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    It's not - and your post proves it.
    And, on average, over the last 37 years, about 23 people per year died in those mass shootings; fewer than 11 of these people were killed with an 'assault weapon', and fewer than 7 of those people were killed with an AR15.

    Your collective reaction to these shootings, especially in terms of the gun control laws you scream for after each one, illustrates your irrational fears better than I ever could.
     
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    The problem with that kind of study is that they try to apply a general statistic to a specific location where no statistic is relevant..

    Show me the statistic that says I would be safer not owning a gun living in a location over fifteen minutes from law enforcement and no neighbor closer than a half mile and none within sight. Additionally, our house is on the road to a popular recreation area where they frequently use drugs and alcohol.

    My guns stay in a safe. I have handled weapons since I got my first twenty two at age thirteen. I served twenty years in the military and one of my sons is a firearm instructor who has worked with me.

    Where is your statistic which applies specifically to me rather than to a hundred million other people in general.
     
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    Oh that's a great definition. From the link...

    "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and .... under 45 years of age who are.... citizens of the United States and .... who are members of the National Guard."

    Buuuuuut....

    "the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

    But it just said that the militia consists of people who are members of the national guard.
     
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    Then why are certain groups so determined to remove guns from the possession of those who have not committed crimes or violence?

    Because they do think about them. Some people, constantly. The big bad boogey man, with unreasonable fear.

    You do understand, if you meet a person on the street face to face, you would have no clue if they owned or carried a gun. The slavering twit who struts and brandishes, is not the norm, but it is definitely how some people see those who do own guns.
     
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    Statistically, about 1 in every 20 people you see have a carry permit.
     
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    And far more than that carry in general, given peaceable journey laws, constitutional carry, and breaking the law
     
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    Federal law states there are two kinds of militias in America, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

    There have been times when the unorganized militia has been called to arms, Spanish American War, WW l and WW ll.

    In California the unorganized militia during WW ll became the California Home Guard.

    Each state having different regulations dealing with the unorganized militia but when called to arms the County Sheriff usually becomes the commander of the unorganized militia in his county.

    The point is, all males are part of the militia unless they are serving in one of the branches of the military or its reserves.


    Now if you want ti get into the meaning and definition of the word "arms" that is found in the Second Amendment you have to use a Websters Dictionary from the era to find out what the definition of arms was when our founding fathers wrote the Second Amendment.

    They were referring to weapons used by the military.


     
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    I don't know that the large majority of people who would shoot a gun at a right wing nazi would be more likely to hit the nazi than the child standing a few feet to the side of the nazi. A better way is to make it so the nazi can't get their hands on the gun.
     

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