Rep.Kevin Brady finally admits tax cuts not paying for themselves!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by 61falcon, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,154
    Likes Received:
    23,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Did you ever ask yourself the question why the GOP never cuts spending FIRST and THEN cuts taxes? That would be the fiscally responsible thing to do. Of course, there is a reason why the tax cutting always comes FIRST, and the spending cutting NEVER follows. And it has nothing to do with the Dems. Can you give me YOUR explanation?
     
    AZ. likes this.
  2. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,423
    Likes Received:
    11,226
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am not responsible for what the GOP does. Government, republican and democrat just can't resist spending our money.
     
  3. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,154
    Likes Received:
    23,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Great post. Due to short memories and instant gratification, we repeat the same failed tax cutting policies from the Reagan and GWB eras, with predictably the same outcome, i.e. a huge debt bubble that eventually bursts and leads to a major recession. Of course, when that recession hits, the Reagan/GWB/Trump voters will pretend it wasn't their fault and blame the Dems for it. Rinse and repeat.
     
    AZ. likes this.
  4. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,154
    Likes Received:
    23,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You vote for them.

    But, can you answer my question from the last post? The GOP had ALL branches of government for two years. Why did they not cut spending?
     
    AZ. likes this.
  5. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We would never face any army on earth toe to toe.
     
  6. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
  7. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I’ve read it. It does not fund abortions.
     
  8. AZ.

    AZ. Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Messages:
    2,174
    Likes Received:
    2,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is called voting against your own best interest.......You and millions more will be in the history books for mindless destruction of the country.
     
  9. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,423
    Likes Received:
    11,226
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Tell that to the Chinese.
    I did not vote for Trump. What is your excuse?
     
  10. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Republican incompetence is expensive to fix.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
  11. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,121
    Likes Received:
    13,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you put a zygote into a petri dish a human will not form either. Look - you are trying to debate a very complex issue by making stuff up.

    If you want to refute the metabolic perspective - one of the 5 main scientific perspectives on when human life begins - you should at least know what this perspective states.

    The fact of the matter is that there are 5 main scientific perspectives on "when human life begins" - Metabolic, Genetic, Embryological, Neurological, Ecological. The fact of the matter is that "experts disagree".

    1) stop using technically incorrect language - Obviously Life exists prior to the zygote - animate does not come from inanimate. The term you are looking for is "human life". Regardless - the metabolic perspective argues that human life exists prior to the zygote as well.

    2) then you have the problems inherent in the Potential argument = even if you were to be able to prove your claim of some "beginning" - this does not mean a human exists.

    3) You are moving the goal posts. You are supposed to be arguing that "Potential" has value and you have switched to arguing "when human life begins" - which is a different argument.

    Obviously the sperm has the potential to go on to become a human - which is the whole point of a sperm bank.
     
    LangleyMan likes this.
  12. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ok
     
  13. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    33,519
    Likes Received:
    17,956
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Bailing out your party donors isn't the GOP's fault
     
  14. gamewell45

    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    24,711
    Likes Received:
    3,547
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah right, like the military budget isn't mandatory spending.
     
  15. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2008
    Messages:
    13,289
    Likes Received:
    3,953
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The only way that you can make this statement is to make the assumption that all other factors would have remained equal. Everyone knows that growth rate is impacted by tax policy, thus all other factors are most decidedly NOT equal.
     
  16. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,843
    Likes Received:
    26,877
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  17. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2009
    Messages:
    33,092
    Likes Received:
    15,284
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Your whole post is bogus.

    First, you make the false claim that Kevin said the tax cuts "are not paying for themselves" which is not what he said.

    https://www.newsweek.com/tax-cuts-m...t-says-gop-rep-who-helped-author-bill-1443484

    Second, the Federal government received record tax revenues for 2019. A win.

    https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

    Third, all working Americans are able to keep more of their own money. Another win.

    So, the tax cuts are working and are a huge success.

    Why would you purposely misrepresent the facts?
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
  18. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,121
    Likes Received:
    13,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Obama did not add 10 Trillion to the debt. It was 12 Trillion when he started his first fiscal year 20 Trillion at the end of his last fiscal year = 8 Trillion dollars. Someone has been lying to you

    The next problem is that Obama was handed a deficit of 1.4 Trillion and an economy that had "Crashed". The idea that he would reduce this to zero in the first fiscal year is preposterous idiocy - basically blaming the dude for the mess left by his predecessor.

    This does not absolve Obama for his fiscal moves later in his tenure - but it is absurd nonsense to blame him for the first few. This is like the Captain of a ship leaving while the ship is on fire - throwing gasoline on the fire prior to leaving - and blaming the fellow who comes along and tries to put that fire out by using too much water.
     
    AZ. and Quantum Nerd like this.
  19. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    64,121
    Likes Received:
    13,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The issue of spending is all spending. Regardless - Red has not done anything substantive to reduce spending. Trump had both houses and what happened ? - he increased spending - not only the increase in revenue was spent - he increased the deficit on top of that.

    Red has done nothing substantive to reduce healthcare spending - 3.5 Trillion in 2017 - roughly double what other first world nations pay. Red Establishment has not suggested universal healthcare - they are the ones fighting it - fighting to spend more to pad the pockets of the international financiers who own the insurance and healthcare oligopolies.

    The other big ticket item is Military - I hope you are not going to try and claim that Red did something to cut Military spending as those would be the pinnacle of preposterous nonsense.

    Trump - and the previous Red administrations have been princesses with credit cards.
     
    AZ. and Quantum Nerd like this.
  20. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2018
    Messages:
    33,519
    Likes Received:
    17,956
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Oh sorry...only 8 trillion

    Obama was handed the deficit..he voted for it, he was a Senator, his party gave it to him, his party controlled Congress.
     
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2019
  21. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Causing the recession was. GOP incompetence is expensive.
     
  22. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2014
    Messages:
    18,154
    Likes Received:
    23,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Absolutely.

    Why is it that the GOP always cuts taxes, but only wants to cut spending when the Dems are in power? Because they know (but fail to tell their voters) that a tax cut that would be deficit neutral through a concomitant spending cut would provide only a very minor stimulus to the economy. Thus, their economic shell game, tricking the voters through short-lived prosperity bought on the national credit card would not work.

    In addition, they also know if they could force spending cuts when the Dems are in power (see for example the sequester), they can hurt the economy through a dis-stimulus, thus undermining the Dem agenda and scaring off the Dem voters.

    Since the voters have very short memories, they fall for this game over and over again. If the GOP was honest, they would tell voters that their tax cuts are really tax deferments into the future, paid for by future generations either through higher taxes or lower government benefits or both. It is quite nefarious, but panders well to the "I want it all now, who cares for the future" crowd.
     
    AZ. likes this.
  23. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,843
    Likes Received:
    26,877
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Indeed.

    "Despite the assurances of Republican legislators, the first year of the tax cuts did not appear to yield its promised returns. The Congressional Budget Office reported that for the period covering 2018, when the tax cuts went into effect, revenues fell by $83 billion after adjusting for inflation."
    https://www.newsweek.com/tax-cuts-m...t-says-gop-rep-who-helped-author-bill-1443484
     
  24. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2018
    Messages:
    27,423
    Likes Received:
    11,226
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If you go back and check tax revenue, you will find that they went up at the same rate before the tax cuts. Therefore, the revenues went down every year when accounting for inflation.

    Conclusion. The tax cut neither helped or hurt the government. However, it did help my pocketbook.
     
  25. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,843
    Likes Received:
    26,877
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Nope.

    "The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act cut taxes substantially from 2018 through 2025. The resulting deficits will add $1 to $2 trillion to the federal debt, according to official estimates. The debt increase will be larger if some of TCJA’s temporary tax cuts are extended."
    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-did-tcja-affect-federal-budget-outlook
     

Share This Page