By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

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  1. Pants

    Pants Well-Known Member

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    And why is America a country - unlike all others - that has such a safety issue that it would require armed citizens to protect themselves and family?
     
  2. Xenamnes

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    How well did such work with regard to the Virginia Beach shooting?

    It already is a felony.

    Enforcement is up to the district attorneys, who have total discretion in determining what laws they will and will not enforce, and what charges they will and will not bring against the defendant.
     
  3. Reality

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    My great grandmother, were she still with us would've gotten a kick out of that statement.


    She was married to a cop during the depression. He was an abusive drunk (shocker). One night shed had enough so she stole his service revolver, took my grandmother, and left. When he tried to stop her she held him at gunpoint and had him tie his feet to the table.
    She took the car, sold it, and lit out. Ended up working for hughes tool.

    The only thing that allowed her to get away was that gun.
     
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    She never had a single opportunity to leave before she stole a gun?

    (Did the cop ever manage to untie his feet?)
     
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    What is the difference between having armed police protecting you and having armed citizens? The only difference I see is that the citizens will have the means to defend themselves when it is needed, instead of police showing up when it is too late. Not to mention if the government and those police become tyrannical, the citizens have a means of keeping them in check.

    So, what you see as a flaw is one of our greatest features, and I wouldn’t have it any other way, risks and all.
     
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    But that's not what I'm asking. I'm looking at the root cause - the reason Americans feel that they need to be armed to protect themselves.
     
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    So you DO have a belief you'll be killed every day you walk out of your house? How sad for you.
     
  8. Xenamnes

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    The primary root cause would be the indisputable fact that the world is a dangerous, uncaring location, and there exist countless individuals who are equally dangerous and uncaring. The world is not a nice, safe place to live in. This fact has not changed since its creation, and it will not cease until all life is extinct.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    If one does not acknowledge the confirmed fact that it is possible for them to be killed at any given moment, then they are quite foolish and ignorant.
     
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    Keep telling yourself whatever you need to. Sorry, but it's paranoia to have the belief every time you walk out your door that some person is going to try to kill you.
     
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    I have so many on "ignore it is hard to follow this thread but I suspect you are arguing with trolls or those so far left they have lost their way.
    The simple answer to them is "stay in your safe space with your therapy bear" and stop worrying about what I personally choose to do.
    Beyond that, you are wasting your time. Chamber one and go for your walk knowing you can take care of yourself if the need arises.
     
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    On the contrary. It's those that are constantly consumed with the fear that they will be killed that should "stay in a safe space with their therapy bear". I recognize not everyone who carries falls into that category. So far, Xenamnes is the only person who's admitted he has a fear of being killed when he goes out in public.
    And as I've always said, I support your right to carry a gun. Just don't try to BS me that carrying is a NEED. It's not. It's a CHOICE.
     
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    I'm very sorry that you feel that way, sincerely. Indeed, there are very dangerous places around the world. But interestingly, there isn't the same gun culture in other countries that exists in the US. So I'm wondering why people think it is so very dangerous - requiring people to own guns to protect themselves - compared to other countries.
     
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    He was an abusive drunk who beat the **** out of her, in a tiny little east Texas **** hole of a town where he was one of the only police officers. During the 30's. You think the "thin blue line" is bad now? It was so much worse back then, particularly in small towns. 40% of officers beat their wives now, I shudder to think how much worse it used to be.

    She had to steal his service weapon and their car, drive several towns over, sell the car and catch a bus into Houston. All on a schedule to catch said bus. During the great depression.

    Did he come after her? No, once she got to Houston she was pretty much gone for good. She eventually got a divorce and married another man several years later, but for a number of years she was a single mother.
    She said she just had him tie himself up, but I always thought maybe she pistol whipped him a few times after, though she would never say so.

    The gun allowed her to turn the tables on him. Without firearms involved, he could simply physically overtake her.
    With a firearm in her hand he was too much of a ***** to try anything. Even if he'd had a gun too, it would've been a more or less even contest, not a one sided boxing match.
     
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    Is that why I pay for fire and theft insurance? Because I'm paranoid?
     
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    Do you believe everyday your house is going to catch fire or get broken into? THAT is the issue. He has the belief he's going to be killed every time he leaves his home. That's sad.
     
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    I think it only takes the one time and since I cannot predict when or if that time will occur with sufficient accuracy, I'm forced to cover myself with an insurance policy 24/7 365 (366 on leap year).
    See how that works?
     
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    You're not paying attention. The post you replied to had to do with the belief that every day he walks out of his house he's going to be killed. That's sad.
     
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    I am paying attention, which is why I know that was not his point and you've simply inserted your own ideas.

    His point was that whether or not he thinks today is the day, he must take basic precautions to prepare himself for the eventuality just in case today is the day.

    Hence my insurance analogy. They're the same things, its just that you're terrified of one.
     
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    Wrong
     
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    Come-at-me-Bro-Meme-06-228x300.jpg
     
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    As previously noted:
    The flaw with your "most" line of reasonng is you never know if you are in the majority or minority
     
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    People... such as yourself?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is that what he actually said? Or are you equating preparedness with fear?

    Is it your position that the Boy Scout Motto means 'Always Be Afraid'?
     
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    Define "mental health check" in a way that does not violate due process or create a prior restraint.
    Universal background checks cannot be enforced, so there's no sense whatsoever to be found in them.
    This has been federal law for more than 50 years.
    Such as?
     

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