Russia to West: D-Day wasnt decisive in ending WW2.

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    YOU forgot that the US asked the Sovierts again and again to open a new front towards Japan ... and then, when they did, you blame and accuse them now? Nice American behaviour as usual?
     
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    the russian and french declared war first
    the germans invaded first in the west
    the russians invaded first in the east

    the germans knew they would fight both east and west in such a situation and wanted to kick the weakest one out of the war so they would have a change of victory
    makes sence what they did,
    but they would not have tryd to end the war quickly if france didnt declare war in the first place
     
  3. Mandelus

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    Wrong ... the Red Air Force bombed Berlin in 1941 and 1942 too ... mostly unknown in the West!
     
  4. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Have you any clue about Europe and the EU and the Euro? Without Germany the Euro would be dead in 2008/2009 ...
     
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    Wrong!

    Tha assassination of Ferdinand was done by Serbian Secret Service and towads Austro Hungarian Empire.... which was allied with Germany!

    At the end of July 1914 an automatism came out of the alliance's obligations to all the great powers, also because all ... I repeat: ALL ... wanted to settle the war for the dispute once and for all with the weapons! Everyone had mobilized their defenses and the German attack took place with a declaration of war beforehand!
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the 1960’s, the people of South Vietnam lived far better lives than those in North Vietnam.

    Vietnam would be a better place today if South Vietnam had won the war.

    Your anti-American jealousy/hatred leads you to irrational conclusions.
     
  7. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Your American beauty speech Propaganda of hard facts, does not make things better! Deien SAussage applies, if at all, only to the larger cities and the thin middle class ... but not to the rural population!
    South Vietnam was led by a bloody terror regime which was fortunate that the insurgents were Viet Cong communists. Otherwise, the US would have fought on the Viet Cong side.

    So stop your American hypocrisy and recognize the realities ... even if they are unpleasant for you!

    And no ... I have no hatred for the US.
    Yes, I hate Trump, and rightly so, long before he thought of becoming president.
    Yes, I hate American ignorance and arrogance, as well as this disgusting hypocrisy ... but all this is not a general hatred of the US!

    But I understand you ... destroying your and other US dreams of being good and great with these hard and irrefutable facts, of course, causes annoyance and such a reaction!
    Funny is ... that the Pro-Rusia people have called me here for my criticism of Putin and Russia as a Russian haters. Likewise, in another forum of Chinese, I was referred to as China Haters for criticizing their state.
    Crazy world ... :-D
     
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    On average the Vietnamese lead hard, difficult lives. I wish LBJ would have left them the hell alone to settle their own problems among themselves, and in such a scenario me and most of the guys in my high school graduating class could have left them the hell alone, too.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    What links?....and if by some remote chance they did....it had no effect whatsoever.

    Face it.....US bombings turned the tide for the most part.
     
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    Always this silly "links?" ... here, 1 example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Berlin_in_World_War_II

    And did I deny that this wasn't the case?
    But only form 1944 on ... not before that.
     
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    Wow...33 aircraft, thats impressive, like a few mosquitos buzzing around one's head. Hardly mentionable.

    Well yeah...silly links"..... Need to keep you trolls honest.

    Only from 1944...and on, LOL. Sure it was....still can't deny the fact the US made the difference Vyacheslav:))).
     
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    Hello? I am German and no Russian!

    Point was that it was by you and other denied that the Soviet Air Force bombed at all Berlin ... which I refuted with facts!
    It was not the topic how effectiv it was ... And I never told this way!

    And before November 1943 your B-17 and B-24 flow to Germany without figher protection, because the P-51 Mustung came only then in full service to fly into Germany with the bombers! Look on the production digits of German war industry and then tell me that it was effective bombing when the porduction always increased, eh?

    Get it ... I never denied that the US bombing was major important ... but don't put on facts American fairy tale myths please!
     
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    *rolls eyes*

    Alright.
     
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    You are having to qualify a whole bunch to avoid saying Germany invaded first.

    So we agree Germany started the war?
     
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    So, everybody went into a defensive position and Germany went on the offense.

    I'm sorry for all the revisionist historians.. but Germany started both World Wars.
     
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    The only thing that matters is, that we won.

    The main reason for france and uk was to prevent Germany to become hegemon of europe. So the interesting thing is, that right after the war, we were basicly in handcuffs...but managed to talk us out of this. Not just that, we convinced them to let us free. And then we became what we desired so much...we are the hegemon of europe today
     
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    Actually well read on both the news and the academic literature on the euro and Germany.
     
  18. Mandelus

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    Then you know that Germany was forced to give up the D-Mark due to the will of all other EU members who wanted the Euro ... happened during the 4+2 negotiations for reunification?
    Then you know that the Euro depends on Germany much and it has big reason that the ECB sits in Frankfurt?

    The you can explain me, why Germany is bad for the Euro that you want them to ban out?
     
  19. Mandelus

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    Sure? Wasn't the German Attack a well reasoned preemtive attack ... and they were only faster as the French?

    Sorry for all these histoy faity tlae believers ... germany didn't start WW-1 ... the war was started by the Austo-Hungarian war decalaration on Serbia and Germany reacted only faster as the others.

    Versalle Treaty was a crime ... and even W. Wilson knew this as did the US Congress who dod not tatify the Treaty as you know!
    It was the Versaille Treaty which is the core reason that WW-2 followed ... which was without any doubt Germanies guilty alone!
     
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    The German Empire didn't start WWI, no matter how many times one repeats this claim.
    Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on July 28th 1914. The same day, a few hours earlier, Kaiser Wilhelm II. said there would be no reason to go to war because Serbia had met almost all of Austria-Hungary's demands. The Habsburgs decided differently and started bombarding Belgrade on July 29th. This was the first military action in WWI. On July 30th, a day after the bombardement had begun, the German ambassador to Vienna, Tschirschky, suggested negotiations between Austria-Hungray and Serbia, which Vienna's foreign minister Berchtold denied.
     
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    Go read the articles about 2012 in "Foreign Affairs". Look at southern European countries versus Germany.
     
  22. Mandelus

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    O ... you mean Greece for example? Sorry ... I have to laugh!

    Go and read for reason why these Greeks went bankruptcy and how incometent they are and were... and of course we evil Gemans made hard rules to help them, becuase we were not willing to spend and risk out taxpayers money as donation into a black hole ... but demanded that they change the mess in their system.

    I know ... we evil German and these poor Greek victims, eh? ROFL.... sorry, no pitty from me for Greece!
     
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    Why not have Northern Europe and Southern Europe use different currencies then? Let France decide what it wants to use. This has been my suggestion six for to seven years. Euro for the north and the med for the south.
     
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    Wrong approach ...
    There is only one EU and no North and South, or East and West.
    The mistake was made at the time of the introduction of the euro in the case of Greece ... because the Greeks at once fulfill the criteria for public debt was a lie that everyone knew and everyone took.
    it would have been much harder to get involved ... and give the ECB the same rights and power as the Fed in the US. But you learn from mistakes.;-)
     
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    Not necessarily. The Allies could have most likely taken Berlin first, but politically they wanted to give Stalin the honor due to the amount of suffering the USSR endured.
     

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