Another useless Middle East War???????

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    The problem is that America doesn't make **** anymore, it's all made overseas. Remember Black & Decker and Craftsman tools? They're made in China. Dell computers - China. Apple phone - China. Levi's Jeans - China. American flags - China. Ford Fusion, Dodge Ram, Chevy Silverado, Nissan Sentra -- all made in Mexico.

    Some companies use the tag that their product is “Assembled in the USA,” “Made in the USA and of US and imported parts,” “60% US content,” use a US flag, map, or just mention “US” in its brand name. There’s also a distinction between ‘Made in’ and “Assembled in” the USA labels. Some companies are taking advantage of the resurgent “Made in the USA” mentality by creatively describing where their products are made.

    Per the FTC: A product that includes foreign components may be called “Assembled in USA” without qualification when its principal assembly takes place in the U.S., and the assembly is substantial. For the “assembly” claim to be valid, the product’s last “substantial transformation” also should have occurred in the U.S.

    If the USA suddenly stopped buying products that have been manufactured elsewhere and merely assembled in the USA, our economy would come to a standstill. We live in an era of economic globalization and it's how countries come together as one big global economy, making international trade easier.
     
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    Many tiers in the Establishment benefit - Pyramid building in Gov't bureaucracy is the normal course of events without external incentives say from the international financiers at the top. With them - well - it is what it is.

    It is a pay to play system - if you play - you get paid - and everyone knows it. Some nice cushy lobbyist position for you when you retire .. do your time .. behave yourself and you will be well taken care of - and everybody knows it.
     
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    This is naivety on your part. Do you truly believe that the US is simply going to overthrow the current Iran regime, take over their oil and uranium and just pass all that money on to the middle class in the US? Think about what you're saying.

    For one thing, Iran won't like that but neither would Russia, China, Turkey, Lebanon, Yemen or Pakistan to name a few. Then there's the countries that used to be great US allies like Germany, Norway, France, the UK, Italy, Denmark, Australia and others. They wouldn't tolerate that degree of aggression from the US. Iran currently maintains full diplomatic relations with 97 countries worldwide and not one of those 97 countries would side with the US in an imperialistic and aggressive undertaking such as what you've just suggested.

    And you know what? Even in your perfect world, if the US controlled all of Iran's oil, shipping ports and all their uranium, it still wouldn't trickle down to the middle class in this country. The top 1% would steal it all.
     
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    Which is virtually impossible.
     
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    Canada quite a bit but we get more From El Saud than from Mexico.
     
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    yes the more oil countries who trade oil with American money makes Americans richer.

    after manufacturing left America the energy industry replaced it with good paying jobs.
     
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    My goodness, yes.
     
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    Source please for the visits to Russia.
     
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    War is hell for civilians as in Syria where Trump is engaged. He is hardly on top of things as he has goaded Iran into doing something
    stupid. This did not have to happen. If he carries this on further, countries may well be destroyed. Trump is a neophyte and needs sound advice before he upsets the straits and they get cut off. He wants a war because he believes that it will help with the election. No doubt.
    What is worrisome is that Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about civilians or our boys and girls fighting in a foreign country.
    He has already shown his distaste for people from other countries.
     
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    Every country trades oil trades in petrodollars. There's no other way to trade oil. Their true purchasing power relies on both the core rate of U.S. inflation and the value of the U.S. dollar. This means petrodollars will be affected by economic factors the same way the U.S. dollar is affected. So if the value of the dollar falls, so does the value of petrodollars, and thus the government's revenue.
     
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    I hope so. One of the things I have always defended Trump for was scaling down conflicts that were present when he took over and not starting any new ones. If his team starts another bloody turd hunt with Iran, he’s toast in the upcoming election. I was very concerned when he hired neoCON chicken hawk deluxe, Bolton. My hope is that he makes another grand gesture with Iran like he did with the little creep in North Korea and cools the situation down.
     
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    oh
     
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    You mean like follow through on his promises unlike Obama.
     
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    Promises? Don't get me started again on Trump and his "promises".
     
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    He has kept more promises than any previous President so...
     
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    The "deep state" conspiracy theories have been floating around for more than 30 years. It's just not true. Trump has done just about all he could to dismantle and destroy the Iran nuclear deal. Did he and our allies discuss this prior to pulling the US out? Or, did he listen to the hawkish John Bolton and Stephen Miller instead and go with their gut instincts. It was a huge mistake, but Trump wanted to destroy every piece of Barack Obama's legacy and this was one great big one that he chose to destroy out of spite for Barack Obama. It didn't matter to him what kind of situation that would put us into. He didn't stop to consider how much Iran was suffering under heavy sanctions prior to the agreement. This is precisely why they were complying, their economy was slowly recovering from the devastating sanctions.

    This was not at all well thought out in advance. It was nothing more than a bad decision made by a vindictive man, and it screwed up everything.
     
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    A wall paid for by Mexico, infrastructure repair, better cheaper heal care, trade war to be easily won, Manufacturing coming back,
    huge tax reduction for the super wealthy that would trickle down, credit for an economic revival started by his predecessor, climate change, mocking disabled people, slashing environmental protections when not necessary or advisable in the name of profits.
    The list of his presidential divisive conduct goes on and on. But you keep slobbering over this guy.
     
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    Love the hysterical TDS narratives. So funny.
     
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    Name them. Yes, "the economy is great". But for whom? Is the economy better for you or is it better for the wealthy CEO's of Mobil and Exxon or BP or the top 10% of this country? Sure the economy is strong, but I haven't noticed anything different in my life. My S.S. check is the same. My prescription drugs are just as expensive ($840 a month for just one of them), my food prices at the grocery store are up close to 20% what they were two years ago.

    What other promises did he keep. He rolled back EPA regulations so coal, oil, fracking and other dirty industries can blow through any bothersome regulations and pollute our air and water. He had an administration that's all 'acting'. We have no permanent Congressionally approved Dept of Defense Secretary. He has a Cabinet that's absolutely vacancy-riddled and being head up by 'acting' personnel. People that are friends, and former energy CEO's.

    So what else did he follow up on. The wall? We know how that's going. Did he lower prescription drug prices, or sign a $3 trillion infrastructure bill to clean up our lakes, repair our roads, fix our corroding bridges and dams and get Flint Michigan clean drinking water? Has he even so much as worked with Congress on immigration reform or met with emissaries from El Salvador, Honduras, Mexico and Guatemala to devise a long-term plan to stabilize their economies and make it safe for people to live in their own countries and stem the flow of immigrants escaping to the US?

    What did he do, please tell us?
     
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    You mean that I am making this up?? Trump kept all these promises, yes?
     
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    Everyone realizes that it's just easier to escape bringing facts to a comment by simply saying "hysterical TDS narratives" while others bring statistics and facts to the conversation. If you make an erroneous statement such as "he has kept more promises than any other President" then you best have some documentation of facts to back it up.
     
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    Tax cut and simplification
    Boost production of oil and gas
    Reduce 2 regulations for every new one
    Constitutional textualist SCOTUS replacement
    Rebuild the military
    Increase manufacturing jobs

    In progress:

    The wall
    Withdrawal from NAFTA which Mexico just signed onto
    Repeal and replace Obamacare
    Trade imbalance with China which includes NK who is China's puppet

    No success:

    Infrastructure bill (of course that has to come from Congress)
    Drain the swamp. Hard to do when all of DC is the swamp
     
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    Some of it is false narrative so yes, not you particularly but you have fallen for propaganda.
     

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