Which Candidate Will Lead America to Greatness?

The atmosphere in Congress today is poisonous and not conducive to coalitions that combine both parties. It was so for Obama as well and the coalition he had to build was just within his own party and he nearly failed. But for a Chief Justice that he didn't choose he would have.

I have never seen any President get the negative coverage from the media on every issue, important or miniscule, that Trump gets. That he is not charismatic is a given but he has been more effective than he gets credit for in that media. The situation with N Korea is completely changed for the better. Sure he still has nukes but his conversations with S Korea are unprecedented as well as those with the US. Tariffs? When they were imposed the screech was so loud it drowned anything that might have come of it but we are talking with those trade partners that were having things their way for so long and changes are being made. It's still evolving because the ultimate outcome will take time. It took decades for us to get in the condition he found it in when he took office.

It will be interesting to see how he may have changed the landscape in 8 years, assuming he will be reelected. Of course that isn't a give but it is a strong possibility. If the GOP were to recapture the House and retain the Senate he will leave a mark on the US and the world.

 

How could you declare a man who listened to Rev.Wright for 20 years, a leader?

 

In the last debate, there was a bit where the Senators were having a bit of a debate between themselves, on the subject of healthcare. But it wasn't a debate of opposition, but a debate of which is the best way forward. It seems to me that the public option is clearly the way to go. Let individuals decide. I'm sure most small companies would welcome the opportunity to offload their health insurance expenses, as well as people not having to have their health insurance tied to their employment.

 

It really wasn't left vs. right. It was war vs. anti war. More young vs. old. One generation vs. other generations. Perhaps even the old anti-communist vs. the not so anti communist. I don't want to use the phrase pro communist. Although you had that element. The working class, hard hats vs. college kids.

 

What is needed is a President who is above the politics. With tribalism being the current political landscape, it is not going to happen. Too many people would rather caterwaul and demonize those who don’t march in lockstep with them. What leader is going to step up and work with the opposition party while keeping his own party from rebuking him for doing so.

 

I have stated numerous times on this forum that Obama was just an average President.

By the way, the Reverend Wright thingy, that was just stupid comment on your part. You could have criticized Obama in numerous ways, but that was weak.

 

I think most of the anti war protests came from college students. It was when they started drafting college students that the protests turned serious.

 

ONLY if there were enough QUALIFIED medical staff available and it wasn't rationed and/or age based.

 

Do you have any examples of that with other countries?

The issue of qualified medical staff available could be mitigated by offering free medical training to those who qualify, instead of them graduating with ridiculous debt. Their repayment would be a commitment to stay within the system for (I'm throwing it out there) 10 years.

 

I agree and well said. Congress has over the last several decades, longer even, ceded their powers to the administration and other government agencies. Members of congress of the party that holds the presidency has become more a member of the administration than of the institution of congress. And yes, congress has ceded their powers so they can blame the president and other government agencies. Not my fault says a congressman, it was the EPA, the Fed, whatever or the president. They don't have to make any hard decisions that might make the folks back home mad at them.

Part of the problem was those generations that went through the Great Depression and WWII wanted their kids to have everything. Things they never had, hence the spoiling and lack of discipline in the home. I think if today JFK said, "Ask not what your country will do for you, but what you will do for your country," he would be run out of town. Certainly laughed at by folks who now expect their government, country to do everything for them while they do nothing for the country.

I do think Trump is a prime example of a spoiled brat as president. Certainly all his throwing of temper tantrums and name calling reminds me of a four year old kid whose parents failed to teach him any manners. All and all, I'd say you hit the nail on the head.

 

Everyone has their own reasons for voting whom they vote for. Political ideology is just one. I think Trump was born out of anger, unreasoned anger and the other party nominating someone whom a majority of Americans didn't want.

I do agree with this, "The solution is simple, fair debate rather than partisan spin. Open discussion rather than blind propaganda." But that is not how we run our campaigns anymore. Most of them are nothing but negative personal attacks. There is no debate on ideas, possible solutions to our problems or presenting a vision of where one wants to take America.

 

That's the way I remember it too. All young college kids for the most part. I think the election of 1972 showed where most of America stood vs. the young kids. Now, today, those young kids are in charge and are rewriting history to suit their view of the war.

What they leave out entirely is the proper context in which Vietnam happened. But that is water under the bridge and irrelevant to most today.

 

None of them. We are quickly running ourselves into the ground with an expanding debt, job losses from outsourcing and automation, a decadent lazy underachieving population, expanding government, rising costs of living, overpopulation, partisanship, and global warming. We aren't the greatest country anymore. Its time for another nation to step up.

 

The ACA was created by both Republicans and Dems ( The gang of 6 )

The Republicans added 170 Amendments to create the Healthcare Law that most of Americans do not want to Lose but have improved

However Trump has made Healthcare more expensive by attacking the ACA

 

Which Candidate Will Lead America to Greatness?

None. If you want help with national greatness, the federal government is probably the last place to look.

 

So is there any POTUS you liked?

The US economy is currently way better than average.

 

Right. No responsibility. No blame. No risk.

It was a natural impulse from that generation; I understand it. They didn't do it out of laziness; they did it out of love. They just didn't foresee the consequences.

[/QUOTE]I think if today JFK said, "Ask not what your country will do for you, but what you will do for your country," he would be run out of town. Certainly laughed at by folks who now expect their government, country to do everything for them while they do nothing for the country.[/QUOTE]

I think some would even brand him a racist, saying that those words reflected "white privilege". At the very least, he would be branded as "mean-spirited" to imply that American citizens owed something to their country, rather than the other way around.

I have said repeatedly on this forum that I don't care for his personal style. Strangely enough, I support most (not all) of his policies, though. That being the case, and looking at the upcoming crop of Democrats running for president, I'll vote for him again in 2020. Being from a deep blue state, my vote will be a purely symbolic gesture. I've always voted, and I'm not going to punt now.

Seth

 

We had a better GDP under Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Reagan, Clinton ...
Trump isn't that special.

I'm more of a fan of the Eisenhower style of Presidency.

 

You're bringing back memories. Remember that time "hard hat workers" went out to beat up the anti-war protesters and later it came out that those "hard hat workers" were actually off-duty cops and the plan was to get workers riled up against the war protests?

 

I think if today JFK said, "Ask not what your country will do for you, but what you will do for your country," he would be run out of town. Certainly laughed at by folks who now expect their government, country to do everything for them while they do nothing for the country.[/QUOTE]

I think some would even brand him a racist, saying that those words reflected "white privilege". At the very least, he would be branded as "mean-spirited" to imply that American citizens owed something to their country, rather than the other way around.



I have said repeatedly on this forum that I don't care for his personal style. Strangely enough, I support most (not all) of his policies, though. That being the case, and looking at the upcoming crop of Democrats running for president, I'll vote for him again in 2020. Being from a deep blue state, my vote will be a purely symbolic gesture. I've always voted, and I'm not going to punt now.

Seth[/QUOTE]
I voted third party in 2016, against both Trump and Clinton. I suppose you could call that symbolic also. Since one or the other was guaranteed to win. I have a friend of mine, high ranking GOP in the country who said even if he agreed 100% with all of Trump's policies, he could never vote for him. I stated many times that I think the Republicans, Trump supporters are down playing Trump's brash, rude behavior and persona has on a lot of independents who voted for him in 2016. I personally think the reason independents abandon Trump and the Republicans from a 46-42 advantage in 2016 with 12% voting third party to voting for the Democratic congressional candidates 54-42 was tied into Trump's obnoxious, to them personality.

Good take on JFK, You're probably right. That wasn't the way I was brought up. I supposed you could call me a baby boomer who didn't boom. I would say that at least half of us maintained that old WWII and great depression generation ethos and dedication.

 

I didn't hear the part about off duty cops. But I think that was in New York. Such a long time ago. I guess I'm not the only old foggie here.

 

We obviously differ in where we thing America is. Aside from that- so long as people think they need someone to give them motivation, hold government or anyone besides themselves responsible for their own failed decisions, there will be no change.

It is strong people that make a nation great, solid values and common objectives that unite them. That is not possible with people who are unable to use common sense, reason and logic. They don't have to be perfect, and they do have to have a tolerance of imperfection- but in the end it is the people who shape government, not the other way around.

If we want the nation to be strong, to be great, to be one to take pride in- then it falls on every person every day to support that. If we do- the job is assured.

 

You might be right .............. however we need a Change in the White House

Trump couldn't do more Damage to America if he tried by creating Division among our citizens and alienating our allies.

No wonder that there is a suspicion Trump is being controlled by Russia

 

Yes I remember it well, it was mostly about sex, drugs and rock n roll. Those people and their children make up the current Democrat party Far out man!!!!

 

Funny but all of the alleged 'leaders' that people idolize all came to their leadership under war footings.

Washington
Lincoln
FDR
JFK (going to the moon was based on a war footing with Russia during the cold war)

Now that we have a President that is against going to war, he is hated with irrational intensity to the point it has moved his detractors so far left that they are now against everything that made America great and want to reshape it into some kind of Marxist model.