When will religion be overteken by logic?

I was responding to this:

And, I pointed out that the first steps of science require speculation - in fact, extensive speculation to reach the point where a meaningful hypothesis can be determined. Everything that is actually tested started out as a speculation. Since testing requires resources, speculations get discussed in all seriousness.

What would be wrong/nonscientific would be to present speculation as having been tested when that has not happened.

I even gave you an example of speculation among scientists concerning what's "outside" our universe that led to an hypothesis that could be tested - an important step.

 

When I was nine, I was told at my grandmother's wake that I should pray for grandma. When I asked my mother what that meant, she said, "Think about grandma".

The first time I opened a Bible, I pretended to spit in it - didn't actually begin to read the Bible until I was 18.

So given the definition of the underlined that you presumably employ...

...I trust you can do the math.

Guess that's your idea of a joke, huh?

 

How did you come to pick up a bible rather than the koran? Think about that.

 

More like NCOR. Not Capable Of Responding.

 

Trust me, there's no need to think about it, as there was nary a Koran in sight in the house I was in at the time.

 

You just made ECA's point.

 

So you were exposed to a Christian religion. Which makes my point. If you were born in Pakistan you likely would have picked up a Koran. If you were born in India you likely would have picked up the Vedas. Born in the US you were likely and did, pick up a Bible.

 

We are busily talking past each other it would seem. If I speculate on the existence of green flamingos on Mars am I talking science or have I OD'd on ERB's Barsoom novels? Speculation is by definition speculation and while it can lead to interesting scientific theories it doesn't have to and has often lead down strange little rabbit holes that went no where. Not infrequently In spite of the Iron clad belief to the contrary of scientists.

 

No, I wasn't...

...which is why your point is idiotic, as is often the case.

 

Every discussion can lead to the ridiculous. I don't think you can charge "speculation" with that as it is a tool that can be used for good or ridiculous purposes.

As for science, speculation is pretty much required, isn't it? How would one form an hypothesis without speculations concerning how something works? How would one discuss possible solutions to unanswered questions without speculation?

 

Of course you were...how else would there be a bible in the house you were in???

 

Are you saying that if the flood happened but the Sumerian texts didn't exist, there would've been no way for the Bible to record the flood?

Yeah, just the same as you in your faith. I don't "know" in the sense that I can't prove it.

When did I say that I ignore anything that may disagree?

What is "logic" to you?

 

I am saying the Sumerian texts made up the story first and others copied it later as they thought it sounded good

I don't have faith in the Sumerian texts.... they are just texts, same as the bible

logic is that if the Sumerian texts came first, then they were the original creators of the story

 

And you would have a point if it was a fact that the flood was a made up story in the Sumerian texts.

 

made up or not, they were the first to use it in their religious texts

 

And that is significant because... why exactly?

Yeah, I didn't actually think that you have a Sumerian faith. What I meant was, your faith that God is not real. To quote your words back to you, "you don't know, you just have faith."

Sure. No Christian would disagree with that.

 

People constantly speculate about things that are at best highly unlikely with a great deal of frequency. Almost everybody who has not studied at least briefly statistics and statistical analysis firmly believes that if you have an honest six sided die and you roll six one in a row the odds of a seventh roll coming up one are almost infinitesimally small when in fact the chances of the seventh one being a one are exactly the same as the same 1 in 6 as all other rolls, the die like it or not only has six sides.and additional rolls do not add sides to the die.

The genre is called speculative fiction for a reason.

 

What the hell difference does it make, seeing I never read a word in it?

 

No? Never read a word of the bible?

 

Not until I was 18, which was years after the incident. Having trouble with the math, are you?

 

yeh same as the illiterate blather you posted about neoatheist not being a word.

Atheology | Definition of Atheology by Merriam-Webster

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheology
Atheology definition is - opposition to theology. ... History and Etymology for atheology. a- entry 2 + theology.


Definition of FEAR,
1) a neoatheist running the world

 

I see the point went sailing over your head. The point is about what you were exposed to. So again, if you were born in Pakistan you likely would have picked up a Koran. If you were born in India you likely would have picked up the Vedas. However...you were born in the US therefore you were exposed to...drumroll.....the Bible. We are all born into certain religions, mostly dependent on where in the world we are born and raised. You were exposed to Christianity.

 

And many today are raised with no religious instruction, thus becoming atheists by default. If you don't teach a kid math they will be bad at math.

If some are raised in a democracy, some under Islamofascist Sharia Law, and some under North Korean communism, does that mean we can't objectively make a choice as to which one is best?

Note also many are not raised Christian but voluntarily convert, Christianity has many more such cases than other religions, which kind of blows your example. My parents and wife were not raised in Christian homes but became devout believers later.

 

Not quite correct.
Most today are raised religious with no knowledge of the origin of the instruction so they think all that instruction was magically embedded in them because they have no clue who to credit it to.

when they figure out who should get the credit

 

But if your parents lived in Pakistan they likely would be Muslim instead of Christian. Proving my point