Serious question -- what do Trump supporters think the citizenship question was supposed to DO?

What? You're telling me that Germany and in England won't obey a Supreme Court of the United States decision? Or the Constitution of the United States?

Congress must Impeach Angela Merkel and Theresa May!

Hmmm. You know... If I were in a colony of one of those nations you mention. I would throw all their tea into the Boston Harbor..

I'm sure your arguments would have been great .... 250 years ago. So don't give up. Keep trying. You'll catch up!
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Seriously... Are these guys for real?

 

Yeah I'm sure you'll fill out the form saying they live there with you.

That's the point. They're not a resident any more than an illegal alien living anywhere else in the state.

Why would you assume breaking in makes them a criminal? Do you believe in imaginary lines after all?

 

You could try actually reading and addressing the post you quoted. THE. SUM. WILL. BE. OFF. Not sure how to make it any more clear. Even if you fix your formula, it is still GIGO. Can I help with any other obvious logic problems?

 

Why would they go to jail? Is it illegal to enter somewhere you're not supposed to be or something?

 

Look, you can keep pretending that the sum is hard to figure out, but you just look ridiculous doing it.

I'd encourage you to continue on with your assertion that the government isn't capable of tabulating the difference between those they've given permission to enter, versus those they have not.

The government knows how many people it has allowed to legally enter the US.

That's kind of the point of legal immigration, in case you were wondering.

But please, continue pretending this is calculus instead of basic math.

 

*Sigh*. You have to subtract FROM something. Get it?

Hey, would you look at that, another strawman, and yes, I'm using that correctly. The problem isn't their ability to tabulate a difference. The problem is the number they are subtracting FROM.

And continue failing to understand the problem. Here. I'll do it in bullet points. Maybe that will help.

• Let's assume you have the exact number of all of the legal immigrants.
• Let's assume you have the exact number of all of the citizens.
• WHAT WILL YOU SUBTRACT THAT NUMBER FROM?

Unless all of the illegal immigrants are going to answer the census question and answer truthfully, your math isn't going to give you an accurate number.

That's what GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) means. Even if you have your formulas perfected, your results will only be as accurate as the assumptions you feed into it.

And right now your assumption is a fairy tale land.

Get it now?

 

Lolz ... tell it to CBP & DHS they haven't gotten the memo.

 

The OP's question is what my thoughts were as well. I have no problem with the question being on the census, I just don't see the point. It's a symbolic nonsense gesture whose purpose is mostly to score political points not just by it's inclusion, but also off the back of the those who have fought against it. It's something Trump can point to and say "Look, look what they won't let me do" even though what he wanted to do had no real point or purpose to begin with. It's similar to the monument wall he wants. Lots of symbolism, no substance.

 

@fmw By providing updated information about the U.S. population each year, the American Community Survey (ACS)—a relatively new Census Bureau monthly survey that provides reliable and timely demographic, housing, social, and economic data—will greatly improve our understanding of trends in international migration and the characteristics of new immigrants to the United States.3 The ACS questionnaire includes seven questions specific to international migration:

• State or country of birth;
• U.S. citizenship status;
• Year of U.S. entry;
• Place of residence one year ago;
• Ancestry or ethnic origin;
• Language spoken at home; and
• Hispanic origin.

 

Of course I do. I'm not the one struggling here.

No, you're still not using it correctly, since that point is intrinsic to the math problem. Who is sending out the census? The feds. Who is issuing visas? The feds. Who would be figuring out the difference? The feds.

Now you're trying to advance an actual strawman (note correct usage), that people won't fill out the form correctly.

What guarantee do you ever have that a poll or questionnaire is ever filled out correctly? You don't.

Maybe that's why there's a legal penalty of $5k for giving false information on a census.

Or something.

 

Yep no crisis and the bill to care for them should decrease.

 

Here Vman ... you're going to need these. ::

 

You are repeating the straw man. I'm not questioning their ability to subtract. I'm questioning your fantasy world assumptions that the number they are subtracting from will be accurate.

Lol, no, not even close to the right usage of the word. And, no, if this is what we are using it for, many, many illegal immigrants will either not answer or lie about their status. No one is gullible enough to believe otherwise.

Nor is that relevant to the criticism.

Yeah . . . and every illegal immigrant would rather be deported than risk . . . a legal penalty . . . that would also likely result in their deportation . . . sure . . . that's the ticket.

 

They haven't gotten the memo that non-citizens are people . . . I can't tell if you are trying to be serious or not. Again, catch up with the laws of your country. Non-citizens are people and legally are treated as such.

 

When desperate straw men don't work, try desperate trolling. Anything but addressing the facts and trying reason. Big surprise.

 

So you're questioning your own strawman. Well done.

Shocker: Sometimes people don't answer questions on forms 100% accurately.

You've done a great job with that one.

It has probably never occurred to anyone else that that is possible.

So then what you're saying is there's no reason we can't put the question on there, since your strawman advances the argument that they'll all just lie about it.

Thanks.

Split-bracket quoting isn't making your argument look intelligent, by the way.

 

No ... non citizens are not "We the people" of the United States. We deport millions of "THEY the people" of foreign countries.

 

You proposed the purpose is to count illegal aliens. I've shown why that's a complete fantasy. Misuse the word "strawman" all you want. You are still left with nothing.

 

The US disagrees with you and has since the ratification of the Constitution. Your alternate reality US can do as it wishes.

 

You've shown you don't understand basic math and then assumed everyone here illegally would lie.

That's all you've really accomplished.

Well, that and you still don't understand how to use the term "strawman".

 

Not. Grade school slilibus didn't work, desperately hoping kindergarten visual aids might.

 

Hey, two falsehoods in one sentence. You are getting good at this.

I've used it correctly. You have not.

 

No, I thought I made it quite clear that I had to reinforce "The Question" of citizenship with my birth certificate in order to renew my drivers license. Turns out it's more to do with flying then actual driving. So taking in to fact that most illegals generally wade, or swim "depending on weather conditions and time of year" in to the U.S. they aren't burdened with proof of citizenship like us sneaky folks born here

 

Try actual reasoning. It helps. And what's a slilibus?

 

Sure they did.

When we are considering the advantages that may result from an easy mode of naturalization, we ought also to consider the cautions necessary to guard against abuses. It is no doubt very desirable that we should hold out as many inducements as possible for the worthy part of mankind to come and settle amongst us, and throw their fortunes into a common lot with ours. But why is this desirable? Not merely to swell the catalogue of people. No, sir, it is to increase the wealth and strength of the community; and those who acquire the rights of citizenship without adding to the strength or wealth of the community are not the people we are in want of … I should be exceedingly sorry, sir, that our rule of naturalization excluded a single person of good fame that really meant to incorporate himself into our society; on the other hand, I do not wish that any man should acquire the privilege, but such as would be a real addition to the wealth or strength of the United States. - James Madison

To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty. - Alexander Hamilton