Serious question -- what do Trump supporters think the citizenship question was supposed to DO?

Kudos. Yes. Non sequitur. For example, responding to a conversation about whether or not non-citizens count as people and whether they were historically counted in the census toward House seats by providing two quotes that don't even come close to addressing those issues. Non sequitur.

No, they have nothing to do with the census or with whether or not non-citizens in the US are, Constitutionally speaking, people. Not even close.

Basic logic isn't normally so entertaining, but have a chuckle.

I invite you to try changing this into something other than a nonsensical statement.

 

Well, God love you Bro! Ima head out and put a few miles on my bike and see if any other Republican Bikers wanna tuck a few buck and throw back a couple at the titty bar.

L8trzz

 

Yeah, people asking you for your sources is standard in a debate forum. If someone thinks it is "talking to a brick wall" to be asked for evidence of their claims, the issue is entitlement and a lack of intellectual honesty, not exhaustion.

 

Your question is silly

The census wants to know my race

If so then why not my citizenship status?

 

Try reading the applicable constitutional amendments. One of the issues that led up to the civil war was that black "persons" freed or enslaved were not included in House seat allocations. After the war, and the the amendment, women "persons" were still excluded from representation. So a second amendment was added. Neither time the constitution was amended did congress designate foreigners as "people" of the United States. Why else would we have voter eligibility requirements? Immigration law?

 

Your skill in doubling down on being wrong has gone up.

Please tell me more about how the comments regarding immigration from the people who signed the Constitution have no relevance to your statement.

If all people was the actual goal, then why were native americans and slaves counted differently since the founding, hm?

What's the point of classification of groups of people if the founders intended to just count everyone?

Are Democrats going to expect us for another compromise? Say recognizing their new slave class as 2/5 of a person?

 

Counted them categorically. See #305.

 

The question should be simple to answer. And yet here's another dodge.

 

No luck with the visual aids? ::

 

I'm just watching people drag themselves really.

 

Because they have nothing to do with the census or whether non-citizens are legally people. Neither quote addresses that. Not sure where I'm losing you. If you think I'm wrong, you can bold the parts of the quotes that address these things.

Because at the time they made the mistake of treating women and slaves as subhuman.

Yes, classifications. Which is why if they meant to say citizens only, the would have said citizens only. That's why parts of the Constitution talk about citizens and others talk about "the people." Based on your logic, only citizens have 1st Amendment rights and green card holders have no right to free speech (psst, the Constituiton and the SC disagree with you on this point).

Que?

 

What's wrong with asking about someone's citizenship status? If you're going to have a census at all, it seems to me to be a legitimate question.

 

I like how they're promoting the idea that the 14th & 19th A's were meaningless and redundant. :: "We the people standing here on census day" ...

 

What's funny about this is that if the Dems wanted a question in there, even the same exact one...you can bet the right would flip out over privacy and the government snooping in their business, etc.

All of a sudden, they are all about the government keeping track of them.

 

The Bill of Rights talks about the rights of "the people." Which includes non-citizens. As opposed to "citizens" alone. Voter eligibility requirements, unlike the parts of the Constitution that deal with the rights of "the people," specifies citizens. Immigration law? Yes . . . and? We have laws about immigration therefore immigrants aren't people? You are going to have to work on that one.

Still looking for that source I asked you for about the census?

 

Oh yes the "immigration question" poised in your OP and the thoughts of the people who signed the Constitution re: immigration have no ties whatesover.

Whatever.

Yeah. They did it because they wanted a separate count of those not permitted to vote.

Just like now.

Does the Constitution and the quotes I provided you talk about who "the people" are? The left can't even figure out the 2A, let alone something more complex than black and white.

Oh sure. People here illegally are still people, they're just not "the People".

That's why they don't have a right to be here, and don't get a lawyer appointed at our expense to help them stay.

What does it say about their right to vote?

 

I swear to God I wish Trump would just start flying in plane loads of pregnant Russians.

They'd figure that **** out real fast.

 

Like I've said, the census bureau has yearly reports including data on illegals and all kinds of other characteristics like gender, ethnicity, citizenship, age, religion, state, you name it.

 

I admire your stamina but you lost the argument a long time ago.

 

I "admire" your insistence that simply stating so is a substitute for actual logic.

Third time's a charm: where's the source I asked for? Where is the source that says that historically only citizens counted for determining House seats? Still waiting. Not that I expect an answer. Maybe an image and a schoolyard taunt, but not an answer.

 

C'mon man! Demo-commies would welcome commie anchor babies with open arms. (D)'s don't hate Russians they hate Trump. All the Russian "contacts" Trump had were with Russian nationals Obama & Clinton recruited.

 

EC delegates aren't allocated yearly and neither are congressional seats. The delegates and seats are calculated by the size of a districts constituency, not the raw population data. It's unconstitutional for non citizens to be represented in government.

 

I said this way back in 2014:

Now you see it happening. I tried to warn y'all.

 

3rd time a charm? https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html
Pay attention to the 15th & 19th & 24th & 26th amendments where CITIZEN is the standard of the constitutional provisions.

 

If I was an illegal alien, and I was asked if I am a citizen, I would say no, or yes? LOL!!!

The only other option would be that they require proof of citizenship, in which case it is a random search, and illegal.