No. They aren't. Those are the metric descriptions of the rounds. The -bullet- dimensions aren't included. it does not matter how many times you repeat this lie, it remains a lie.
Look at you, trying to avoid ANOTHER point you don't understand What happen when you put a .311 bullet down a .308 barrel?
We started our platoon with 83 Marines and only 25 were originals when we graduated. Those boys from NYC were dropping like flies. The odd thing was I went there with 7 from Philadelphia, 1 PA outside the city, 1 from NJ and 1 from DE and all 10 of those graduated without any being sent back. On the flight down the guy from outside the city requested a martini when the stewardess asked us and was told no, because he was underage, so I bought one and gave it to him. That's when it dawned on me that people aren't too young to fight for their country, but they are too young to drink or vote. 300 must be about the size of the whole 4 platoon company, but I doubt if we had that many left in our company when we hit the rifle range. I think we only graduated something like 52.
You tell me what the difference is between lands and grooves and how caliber is measured. I wouldn't worry about it, if I was your DI, you'd be walking off my base with an orange shirt and purple pants and never have the chance to use enemy ammo.
First, you'd have to be in the military, which we all know was never the case. Here are the M14 field manuals: https://archive.org/details/FM23-81968 https://archive.org/details/FM23-8 Cite the pages where they talks about the alternate use of 7.62x39. Oh wait... you can't. Because they don't exist. Because you're wrong.
Look at you, AGAIN trying to avoid ANOTHER point you don't understand What happens when you put a .311 bullet down a .308 barrel?
Back in the day a Marine recruit platoon had around 80 pukes. A series (company) had 4 platoons so roughly 320 recruits. After boot camp at MCRDSD it was straight to 2nd ITR at Camp San Onofre, Camp Pendleton and the entire series made up a company. I arrived at MCRDSD on Dec 28th, 1968 and back then it was believed that they would be sending another 100,000 soldiers and Marines to Vietnam so MCRD was at its max and not enough quonset huts that we spent the first week or so living in squad tents. Again at 2nd ITR at Pendleton not enough quonset huts that we spent the entire three weeks living in squad tents. After ITR you either went on a two week leave or all 0300's (grunts) went tp BIT's at Camp Horno and all other MOS's went to their MOS school. Then after that most got their WestPac orders for Vietnam and went through Staging Battalion at Camp Las Pulgas. So roughly from the time you stood on the yellow footprints at MCRD to the day you disembarked from that Boeing 707 at the DaNang air base it's been six months.
Yes it was. Anti aircraft, the Marines Hawk SAM battalion was based there and the big guns and howitzers (self propelled 8" howitzers and self propelled 175mm guns) were based there. At times the 5th Mar Div units hat weren't deployed to Vietnam would conduct desert training exercises at 29 Palms.
I enlisted sometime in August, 1971 after being tested and whatever and was scheduled to leave on Jan 14, 1972 on a 707 out of Philly. It was 80 at PI, 10 leave and 40 ITR for us, a week KP before the rifle range and a week KP before starting ITR. We were told our assignments in boot camp and were expecting many to go to Vietnam, but something happened. We were being told things like the VC wouldn't attack Marines and they stopped sending Marines to Vietnam. My older brother was there, a Sea Bee in the Navy. I was in second Battalion in PI with the old buildings, except a short stay in a newly built structure without heat during the three week middle training, one week KP and two weeks rifle range area. We were only on the range a week and the other time was various training. That new building without heat was terrible, it woke you up all thru the night. We slept with extra blankets and fully dressed. My DIs were laughing their asses off when they told us our assignments. I remember them saying to me: "You have the highest GT in the whole Battalion and they send you to motor transport, what a ****ing idiot." I went thru some training to be a mechanic at Montford Point in Camp Lejeune after ITR. The area once was used for Black Marines during segregation and wasn't much. They also trained clerks and MPs there. After training I was sent to Main Base, Lejeune and after a month I went to the company office. The Company was about 180 with about 10 always TAD. After I got to the company office, I discovered the two things I hate to do the most in this world was being a mechanic and doing clerical work. Back in my day, they called it the suck.
Not exactly, ITR (Infantry Training Regiment) was actually individual infantry training and emphases on individual and nothing larger than fire team or squad tactics. Every Marine no matter what their MOS was went through ITR. Many of the courses were for Vietnam but you were trained to fight the same way as Marines during WW ll and Korea from amphibious and helicopter assaults, infiltration, night fire, land navigation, mines and demolition, just about everything found in the Marine Guide Book. Weapons familiarization, M-16, M-60 machine gun, the M-2 .50 cal HMG, 3.5 rocket launcher, grenades, flame thrower, the M-79 grenade launcher. We only spent one day with the M-16A1 familiarization. The rest of the time it was the M-14. Only one day on urban warfare and close quarters combat. 1/2 of a day on fighting on a nuclear battlefield. I would say ITR covered jungle warfare in Vietnam and fighting chi-coms in Korea, Soviets in Europe and Muslims in the Middle East. After ITR all 0300's went to BIT's where they really got into the infantry tactics from fire teams, squad and company tactics. What percentage was devoted towards Vietnam ar BIT's ? I don't know because I didn't go through BIT's. Pretty sure they were issued the M-16A1. It was at Staging Battalion that was at Camp Las Pulgas that was all 100% training for Vietnam. After my tour of duty in Vietnam I was assigned to the 5th Marine Amphibious Brigade at Prendelton. We were the 911 force on the west coast. Ready to deploy to Vietnam or any other hot spit in the world. I would say 50% of the training was for Vietnam while the rest was for fighting Soviets in northern Europe, Arabs in the Middle East or commies in Latin America.
I don't recall .50 cal or flame thrower training in ITR. My most memorable moments were being packed ******* to belly button in a small area to have tear gas training like removing your gas mask and getting tossed about three feet off the ground for getting too close to a bunker with a dynamite charge while having live fire overhead. The USMC was great at finding ways to teach people to motivate themselves. It's a great organization.
I vote yes, weapon of war. And I follow that up with "so what"? I don't own one but if I ever think they are going to be banned I will buy one so fast I might hurt myself whipping out my wallet.
Nixon announced the drawdown of American troops in Vietnam in mid 69. First to pack up was the 3rd Mar Div. They returned to the "Rock" (Okinawa) I was assigned to the Air Naval Gunfire Platoon with 1/13 but usually TAD with 1/26. In late 69 we got word that the 26th Marines, 1/13 and other units of the 5th Mar Div who were in Vietnam would be going back to Camp Pendleton where the 5th Mar Div would be deactivated. Only short timers would be going home early, everyone had to complete their 13 months in-country so I was transferred to Sub Unit One, 1st ANGLICO under the 1st Mar Div for my last seven months in-country. The 1st Mar Div would depart Vietnam in the summer of 1971 and return to Camp Pendleton. Except for ANGLICO Marines and Marine advisors and some squadrons of the 1st MAW, the war in Vietnam was over for the Marine Corps.
We did the gas chamber at MSRDSD during bootcamp. Pretty sure by 71 the flamethrower was declared politically incorrect by liberals and soon after so was napalm.
I think the issue is whether it's unconstitutional for an area to restrict certain types of weapons. I don't see why they can't come up with a system so certain people can have and use them, while they aren't generally available to the public. I've held many Thompsons with large magazines and it isn't hard to get full auto kits for them. To me, it's a matter of where should you draw the line. I have enough sense to know some weapons aren't for the public. The days of buying dynamite in hardware stores is gone and even as a kid I never felt comfortable being around it. It's good for stumps, though.
There is nothing inherently dangerous about fully-automatic firearms. The only reason they were restricted was because of the unintended consequences caused when the federal government enacted the eighteenth amendment, and learned the hard way the public will support outright crime if it means getting what they want. At present the only reason the restrictions remain in place is due to taxation reasons, as the government collects a two hundred dollar fee from anyone purchasing a firearm regulated by the national firearms act.
I've seen many .50 cal afterwards, but I don't remember any training other than a mention. PI wasn't involved with M 16s when I was there, but I know it changed seeing those recruits and DIs show up in my ITR. The weight change from M 14 to M 16 was something, it felt like the weapon was as light as a feather. I liked the hand grenade training when I saw a very chunk of stump falling far behind us in the trees while we sat behind a barrier. It was something you could see without losing an eye. I never could figure out the logic of phosphorus grenades, like why make them so a person has to throw them and run 10 yards back to not be injured? Why not just make them smaller, so someone doesn't have to expose themselves to enemy fire?
For artillery/artillery spotting was there a jungle specific course? I figure different tactics and equipment might be needed in Vietnam vs Iraq.
