Iranian boats attempted to seize British tanker

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    Was it civilians who shot down the US drone or damaged foreign shipping?
     
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    A second British-owned tanker may have been seized by Iranian forces in the Strait of Hormuz, in what appears to be retaliation for the British capture of an Iranian tanker in Gibraltar earlier this month.

    The Liberian-flagged ship Mesdar abruptly changed course and headed for the Iranian mainland on Friday evening. The ship is owned by Norbulk Shipping UK and was bound for Ras Tanura in Saudi Arabia.

    Tehran has not officially claimed the seizure of the Mesdar, unlike the earlier capture of the Stena Impero.

    https://www.rt.com/news/464597-iran-seizes-2nd-uk-tanker/
     
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    That's according to RT. I'm not seeing it in the real news media.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ran-capture-fears-stena-impero-uk-ship-latest

    Iran’s Revolutionary Guards claimed on Friday evening to have seized a British oil tanker, the Stena Impero, which suddenly veered off course and headed into Iranian waters.

    The ship’s owners issued a statement saying that at 3pm GMT (7pm local time), the ship had been “approached by unidentified small crafts and a helicopter during transit of the strait of Hormuz while the vessel was in international waters”.

    “We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran,” the owners, Stena Bulk, and the ship’s managers, Northern Marine, said.​
     
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    That has nothing to do with you wanting to wipe them out with daisy cutters for starting a war. You seeing civilians as justifiable target says it all. You're on par with Hamas tossing in a rocket in an urban area with opinions like that. (except Hamas uses far smaller bombs than you like to toss) Typical pro-Jewish Israeli.
     
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    What probably? The US admitted to this! And it was about the oil. Mossaddegh was a democratically elected leader. No communist! The only thing he did, was nationalizing the oil industry to keep far more profits in their own hands. That doesn't turn anybody into a communist.
     
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    You talk like a true facist.

    So when a bank robber threatens to shot his victims, its their owm fault. All Iran has to do, is to become an amerucan vasall. Right?

    How many iranians you actually know?
     
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    Iran has also threatened to destroy the US and Israel. Rhetoric is not genocide. No doubt the sanctions are causing hardship for the Iranian Government and its people. That is not genocide either. There is
    no intention to kill every Iranian. The purpose is to change the behavior of the Iranian Government, not to hurt people. The most recent attempt at actual genocide occurred in Sudan in the 1980s and 1990s when the
    Islamic government in Khartoum tried to annihilate the Christian and animist populations in southern Sudan, killing a third of the total population (well over one million people), and forcing many thousands to
    flee to other countries where they lived in squalid refugee camps where thousands more died.
     
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    I never suggested that Mossaddegh was a communist. I said that Eisenhower and Churchill feared that he would ally with the Soviet Union and then the West would be cut off from Iran's oil. They viewed
    the nationalization of the oil industry as a act hostile to the West, and feared it would presage Iran moving closer to the Soviets. I used the term 'probably' because none of us has a crystal ball and can tell
    what would happen if the past were to be changed. 'Probably' things would have worked out better for everyone if they had left Mossaddegh alone - but we can't know that for certain.
     
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    Sounds like the British need to take Iran to the world court...or visa-versa. I don't advocate killing American military comrades for foreign oil interest..
     
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    Wipe 'them' out? Who are you referring to? Any daisy cutters, or rockets, would be targeted at military installations, just as happened in Iraq. You're wandering all over the map.

    I understand English may not be your first language but it's good enough to understand what was said. But what's going on here is that you're referring to things I didn't say.
     
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    Incredible. The one who strikes first, the bank robbers in your pointless analogy, would deserve whatever they get. They are the ones who initiated the crime.

    No one wants Iran as a "vassal". Is that free world's only option?
     
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    You've explained that very well, very clearly, but I'm still not sure it will be understood.
     
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    Thank you. I appreciate your comments. In a sense, we are all pretty much wasting our time and effort. Most people have made up their minds a long time ago and are not going to be influenced
    one way or another. Still its good to have a chance to express our views. By "our" views I'm being inclusive of everyone.
     
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    Your orange goon wants iran as vasall.

    That wont happen. Iran is a proud nation and never a colony. They will resist US threats. You are too weak to attack them, because tgey can set the entire middle east ablaze. They know that, you know that.

    Best option for Europe is to ignore USA hostile behavior and move on trading with Iran.
     
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    The european "view" is on the side of iran.
     
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    Mossaddegh was in bed with the reds and a dictator in the making, he was following the classic path starting off as a socialist reformer before becoming a tyrant.
     
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    Highly doubt that.
     
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    Is this meant as a joke?

    You decide now what the people of Iran vote? And best part, you replace a dictator in the making witha dictator?

    Arenyou from Southpark?
     
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    Both, Germany and France plan to buy oil from Iran, created a tool called Instex to outplay the sanctions.
     
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    Sudan is Sunni, Iran is Shia. Where do you think Khartoum is ?

    And Iran has not threatened Israel. They stated if Israel attack Iran they will retaliate. Israel is always playing the victim card. And in what world is Iran capable of destroying the US!
     
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    LOL. It had no facts and contained lies and nonsense. But hey you understood it :roflol:
     
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    They just took a couple of UK ships so Europe is already involved. The US has done little.
     
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    So they've dropped the sanctions?
     
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    And, as predicted, you didn't.
     

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