Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. yguy

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    A comforting conceit, we may rest assured.
    Seeing the best argument ever will not be compelling to those invested in imbecilities, I have no reason to be perturbed about that.
    Then atheists would do well to reflect on why it is their assertions fail to withstand assaults from such lightweights as yours truly better than a house of cards withstands a tornado.
    :yawn:
     
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    Theists have argued that its their responsibility to ensure the temple of God remains in good condition, you seem to be making claims contrary to their reality, explain.
    Theists will tell you their G/god(s) created the science and the doctors, that is is all part of G/gods creation, so its tough to make sense out of the things you claim?
    Themselves of course.
    Stalin proved the threat self worship imposes
    You have no evidence and incomplete discovery process, therefore it goes without saying you have no facts to offer.
    That wasnt a threat, it means you were philosophically cornered with no rebuttal.
    Does not purport and does not are 2 different things. Most atheists worship several gods, primarily Pemba, Koalemus, and themselves.
    Sounds more like your personal bent on the matter. I have never heard any theists take that position, sounds like something you made up?
    Atheists have exactly 'Zero' evidence to support their position and claims.
    Evidence of absence is all you got and;
    'Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence', though
    Despite NO evidence neoatheists faithfully march on.

    So far atheists havent been able to accurately respond much less answer even the most simple questions, 'difficult' notwithstanding.
     
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  3. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Why should I try to explain how a theist comes up with make believe ideas that aren't reality . They should be explaining their own evidence.
     
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    Well I suppose ones snowflakery is comforting in protecting one's conceit.

    How insightful. I didn't realize that those invested with imbecilities tend not to be perturbed by them.

    A winner in your own mind. That's the spirit.
     
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    subservience is inbred.
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's all nothing to those who think objective physical reality is everything. Even science knows better than to think that way.
     
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    That does NOT mean there is a god...
     
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    Gelecski7238 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True, hardly any reason to think some big kahuna is looking over one's shoulder, but even anti-religious/anti-theists suggest that there is an infinite organizing power and a creative master intelligence out there.

    DNA works like text instructions. Where there is sophisticated text info, there is a programmer/writer. The simplest bacterium has over half a million DNA "letters" in it. Highly improbable for that degree of organization and complexity to arise in the absence of intelligent intent/purpose.
     
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    If there is no evidence, white just make one up.
     
  10. RoccoR

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    RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
    ⁜→ Gelecski7238, FoxHastings, et al,

    Those that hold onto a Faith-Based Reality as a concept and perception do not see anything different in the actual existence of the tangible series of events → from that which the outside observer recognizes as → genuinely existing. They both see the same things and can document events as they occur. The difference may only be a causal explanation for the observations or events.

    ◈ Usually the contrast involves that which only seems to exist or is imaginary. They hold that only Supreme Being and the individual mind have ultimate reality. Faith-based illusions that can be overcome by prayer and faith.

    ◈ This is an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality; manifested as an unwavering loyalty, belief, and trust in their faith.​

    (COMMENT)

    Those that argue that the "objective physical reality" is NOT the totality, only fail to understand the limitation of knowledge and its impact on individuals.

    Not everyone has a highly evolved state of intellect in being familiar with the tangible of existence or the awareness of its the physical, usually resulting from experience or study.

    The range of both those that are Faith-Based and those that are Physical-Based is in one’s understanding of information in the context of how knowledge, memory, and experiences are used to help formulate intellect.

    Just one man's opinion...

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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  11. dagosa

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    There’s a conflict of terms.
    Faith and reality. You need to refer to a dictionary.
     
  12. RoccoR

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    RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
    ⁜→ dagosa, et al,

    Well, I regularly consult reference books, guides, encyclopedia, dictionaries, etc. I have quite an extensive set.


    Screen Shot 2019-07-30 at 9.08.38 PM.png

    Not counting the Engineering Handbooks galore.
    (COMMENT)

    Actually, not so much. The phrase "a Faith-Based Reality" is not a conflict. Those that are Faith-Based Oriented can also see reality. There are a half-dozen or so Scientists participating in studies, at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), that are also ordained Priests (and PHDs-Physicist). And there is no question in my mind that they see reality and understand reality every bit as good as you or I. But, they also see the hand of the Supreme Being, the Creator, that forms reality of the universe.

    While I don't happen to follow that religious line of thought in the supernatural, I cannot challenge the veracity. There is no evidence.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     

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  13. dagosa

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    If you need faith, it’s not based on reality.
     
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    Yes, evolution does not work even SLIGHTLY like software defelopment.

    You certainly got THAT part right!

    As for how it DOES work, I would suggest learning more about biology.
     
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    That would certainly explain your behavior.
    They're not, until someone like yours truly exposes them for what they are.
    I don't look at it that way. Obviously believers in lies are losers to begin with, but they become still bigger losers when they expose the intellectual bankruptcy of their position by abandoning any effort to defend it in favor of ad homs. :smile:
     
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    RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
    ⁜→ dagosa, et al,

    In a way, you are partially correct.

    (COMMENT)

    There are two principle independent systems of belief. Neither is dependent on the other:

    ◈ Faith-Based Concepts and Beliefs

    ◈ Scientific and Tecnological Concepts and Beliefs ​

    But they do interact in various degrees of dominance.
    Reality Spectrum.png
    As you can see, the left-end of the Spectral Range is dominated by the Faith-Based Beliefs (100:0) and the far right-end of the Spectral Range is dominated Scientific Beliefs (0:100). The center is a 50:50 proposition.

    But don't make the mistake that it is either all one way or all the other. That would be an extremist position. People just do not think that way as an average. Generally speaking, most people recognize at least some aspect of the other's reality.

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Yes my reaction to your behavior is easily explained.


    Try that talent for exposing imbecility on yourself sometime, it might help.

    Yes, believers in lies are losers, I respect your surprising admission. As to your criterion for intellectual bankruptcy, I see you are not familiar with Brandolini's law.
     
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    While there may be scientist that are also religious, where is the organized general belief that there is a creative master Intel out there ? You’re just stating two competing ideas, anti theism and belief in spirituality, and saying they are both comparable ?
    I never heard of anything like that.
     
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    Where does this contradictory idea come from ?
     
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    This is a lot of woo woo.
    Science is not somehow a brief system of contrived ideas. Either something exists, or it does not. You don’t drive to work everyday in a make beleive car that exists only because it’s part of your belief system. It exists, like the sun, whether you beleive it or not. Just because at one time, ancient man though the sun was a god, it does not translate into thinking something else is a god. Now that we know what the sun really is, it does not make the next factual existence up the ladder of the unknown, a god now too. It just becomes another unknown until science helps show its factual existence.

    Unless of course, you still think the sun is still a god. That would actually make more sense then swapping off gods from one unknown to another.
     
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    Except that did exactly that over BILLIONS OF YEARS!
     
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    RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
    ⁜→ dagosa, et al,

    I'll put mystudies aside and go to something you might have more confidence in.

    PEW Research: 6 facts about what Americans know about religion
    July 23, 2019 By Becka A. Alper, Pew Research

    I'll only use a couple:

    Most Americans are familiar with some of the basics of Christianity, and even know a few facts about Islam. But fewer get questions right about Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism.
    ◈ Atheists are among the most knowledgeable about religion.
    Evangelical Protestants get the most questions right about Christianity and the Bible.
    Educational attainment is strongly associated with religious knowledge.
    Americans who know people belonging to other faiths get more religious knowledge questions right.
    Those who are most knowledgeable about religion tend to have favorable views of other religious groups.

    Science and Religion.png
    "Science investigates the natural world, while religion deals with the spiritual and supernatural — hence, the two can be complementary."
    ~ Grant No. EAR-0624436. Any opinions, findings and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material are those of the author(s)
    and do not necessarily reflect the views of the National Science Foundation (NSF).

    undsci.berkeley.edu
    (OBSERVATIONS)

    5 facts about the interplay between religion and science
    By Cary Funk and David Masci PEW Research

    ❖ The least religiously observant Americans are most likely to perceive conflict between religion and science. Some 73% of adults who seldom or never attend religious services say science and religion are often in conflict, while half of adults who attend religious services at least weekly say the same.​

    ❖ Most American adults (68%) say there is no conflict between their personal religious beliefs and science. For the 30% who do see a conflict, the most common source of disagreement involves beliefs about evolution and the creation of the universe.

    ❖ Two-thirds of Americans (65%) believe that humans evolved over time. About a third of U.S. adults (35%) say that humans evolved through natural processes, while about a quarter (24%) say that human evolution has occurred with the guidance of “a supreme being.”

    ❖ The public is closely divided about whether churches and other houses of worship should be involved in science policy debates, such as climate change. Half of U.S. adults say churches should express their views on scientific policy issues, while 46% say they should not do so. Most white evangelical Protestants (69%) and black Protestants (66%) say churches should express their views.

    ❖ People’s religious differences do not play a central role in explaining their beliefs on a number of science-related topics – ranging from views about climate change to the safety of genetically modified foods.​

    FT_15.11.05_beliefInGod200px.png
    The key here is the belief in the Supernatural (attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding), ie Magic and spirit beings, with one or more deities. None of which can be substantiated by in science.

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    RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
    ⁜→ dagosa, et al,

    You've not understood. I've not made may contribution clear (obviously).

    (COMMENT)

    I have not discussed whether or not some exists. I've only discussed the difference between the Faith-Based Concepts and the Scientific Concepts, and whether or not a Faith Based believer can also be a Scientist (simultaneously).

    And a cursory side-bar, is the question as to what it means to believe in a Supreme Being (the supernatural).

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    RE: Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.
    ⁜→ dagosa, et al

    I take it that you do not believe in any deity.

    (COMMENT)

    But if you did go to church and believe in a deity, what would that imply?

    If you believe in the Supreme Being, do you in Angels?
    And if you believe in Angels, what other supernatural entities do you believe in?
    And if you believe in the Spirit of a Deity, what other Spirits do you believe in?

    Then what powers to you assume these entities possess?

    etc, etc, etc

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Let me turn this around and put it to you another way.

    I am a Spiritual Atheist but I do not believe in spirits or the supernatural.

    What I am describing is my own ability to achieve a spiritual state of mind similar to those described by theists who allege that they are communicating with the supernatural. This state of mind can be physically recorded by scientists and has been studied and identified as occurring in other mammals. If there is some imaginary connection with the supernatural then other mammals must be sharing that connection.

    However the commonality indicates to me that it is nothing more than a state of mind that enables one to relax by disassociating oneself from one's body. It has beneficial effects for those who can achieve it and that explains the feelings of well being associated it with it.

    There is no evidence for spirits or supernatural entities. Religion has merely co-opted a naturally occurring mental state for the sake of promulgating their nefarious agenda.
     

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