Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

Such emotionalism and no logic whatsoever. You can "see" the difference between good and evil, but you can't explain it or offer any rational support for it. It is, therefore, just an opinion. Tell me, what makes your opinion more valid than, say, Josef Mengele's opinion?

I don't worship God, I'm just pointing out the errors in your thinking. You haven't actually asked me what I think.

That's called positive law, and it is extremely culture-specific. The Aztecs thought cannibalism was fine and dandy. The ancient Canaanites and Incas thought child sacrifice was fine and dandy. The Germans passed laws authorizing all they did to the Jews. The Muslims have laws authorizing the death penalty for blasphemy and apostasy. The Americans passed laws authorizing the internment of Japanese-American citizens. The south passed laws authorizing the differential treatment of blacks and whites. Today, New York authorizes abortion up to and including birth. Alabama outlaws abortion after two weeks or some such thing. By your definition, all these things are/were "good" in the time and place where they exist(ed) because "society" determines/d what is/was good and what is/was evil. Can you see how your definition of morality leaves something to be desired?

Obviously you have never heard of playing devil's advocate. Is a Jewish lawyer defending the KKK's right to march a white supremacist?

 

I don’t know that we can ever agree some good from evil.
There are a number of activities in some cultures we would look at as evil that some how are acceptable others. Look at Trump separating parents and their kids. I see that as evil, maybe his followers don’t. What about the evil of priest / child molestation hidden by the Catholic Church . If that were any other institution, the entire church would be condemned. Yet, they still have a following that completely accepts their actions. So, I can’t always see nor can people agree on good from evil.

 

Where have you been? Citizen parents get separated from their rug rats every day when they get busted and end up in jail and prison. Do you see anyone whining about that? So why should illegal aliens get special treatment? Aren't they criminals who should be in jail? Treat their kids the same as other kids whose parents end up in jail. Put them in foster care.

 

You need to read child separation laws. Obama acted in accordance with the same federal provision law that requires all authorities act in the interest of children in the case of suspected abuse; that has nothing to do with what Trump is doing.

#Child abuse laws exist on the federal, state and local levels. The Child AbusePrevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA) , passed by the federal government in 1974 and reauthorized in 2010, is the largest body of legislation with regard to the fair, ethical, and legal treatment of children and is intended to keep them free from all #..........

 

When people get busted they are separated from their kids. Child separation laws do not protect criminal parents from arrest.

 

Wrong.....
Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor. Children are NEVER separated from their parents in the US for normal misdemeanor acts that don’t direct address the child’s well being.
Do you know what a misdemeanor is ? It’s not a felony !
It’s in the same level as habitual speeding tickets and is a CIVIL OFFENSE.
Someone is watching too much Faux news.

 

Which is why you need an external frame of reference, like the Ten Commandments.

in re: Trump separating parents and kids... I've already noted that in many cases, these are not the kids' actual parents, and separating them will reveal that. Secondly, this is just one of the many punishments dealt out to people who come here illegally. Another is being locked up themselves, a third is being deported, and a fourth is not being eligible for legal entry for some time period. If they don't want to be separated from their kids, don't come here illegally. It's like blacks complaining about going to jail. Stop breaking the law and you won't go to jail.

in re: priests molesting altar boys... Chop their dicks and balls off. Anyone who has covered up for one of these bastards should be locked up for aiding and abetting. But I don't blame the Catholic church for this (well, I do, if they didn't have celibacy laws, they wouldn't be getting pedo priests), I blame the individuals involved. Protestant churches have sexual abuse, too, just not as much and the cases are not as publicly trumpeted by the media. Similarly, almost all sexual abuse occurs in the home, not in the church, so the Catholic church incidents, while numerous, are actually a drop in the bucket in the total number. The point being, sexual abuse can and does occur anywhere and everywhere, so to single out the Catholic church for being evil for sexual abuse is highly selective.

 

People get arrested for speeding every day somewhere in America.

 

It is obvious that you don't know what the real Ten Commandments are.

 

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to DECEIVE Adam and Eve and to BLAME them in his ENTRAPMENT scheme.

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to ENSLAVE people.

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to provide an ABORTION PROCEDURE in his "infallible word of god".

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to order his "chosen people" cut open PREGNANT WOMEN while they were still alive.

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to invent the CONCENTRATION CAMP complete with CREMATION of the dead bodies.

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to MURDER the first born of an entire nation.

Your god thought that it was "fine and dandy" to DROWN virtually every living creature on the surface of the planet.

So you do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to PRETENDING that the "morality" of your god is somehow "superior" to that of society.

 

And have their kids removed ? Hardly . You can (may) get arrested for speeding if you exceed the speed limit by a set number. ( determined by the state) It then becomes a misdemeanor and not just a civil offense. They don’t get their kids removed from them..... That’s not what Trump is doing, and that’s in line with what OBama did. Big difference.

 

Exactly....and worse yet, “he” knew how it was going to turn out and did nothing. We would call that pretty sadistic if man did that.
Anyway you cut it, “god” is not good by human standards.
So, the theist response is, “god” is hard to understand.
This opens another fallacy. Why should “god” be hard to understand ? He’s “god.”

 

It’s a misdemeanor to be an illegal immigrant.
.misdemeanors generally include such acts as disturbing the peace, petty theft, drunk driving with no injury to others, public drunkenness, simple assault and battery, and traffic violations.
Children are not separated from parents for these lesser crimes unless the crime directly involves the safety of the child.
Get with the program. You’re defending an illegal strategy working outside common decency.
Because they never instituted procedures to reunite parents with kids, it’s essentially, an indecent and potentially an illegal act internationally.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
There's nothin cruel about separating children from their parents???

Wow, is that what Jesus said ??? Did he recommend dog kennels and foil "blankets" and NO OVERSIGHT, too.....



Oh, that's right, your god thing thinks that if one person does something wrong EVERYONE should suffer even innocent children,... what a cruel, unjust, sadistic and MORONIC attitude he has...




BTW, since the OWNERS of companies that hire illegals are committing a crime AND encouraging people to come over the border FOR those jobs , WHY aren't THEY in dog kennels, too ???

Where are YOU?


You did NOT address anything in my post...…..just the old trite Repub defense of abusing innocent children.

AND you were wrong...American kids whose parents commit crimes are NOT put in dog kennels with aluminum blankets and nothing else .

 

Parents setting boundaries is evil eh? Adam & Eve only had 1rule to obey.

 

Gotcha!

If god is incapable of communicating clearly then he is not omnipotent.

 

That is NOT a defense of abusing children, that SOME aren't really the children of the immigrants. They are still CHILDREN.


That's STILL NOT the child's fault and MOST are the children of the immigrants...

Punishing children for their parents bringing them here is wrong.

. The KIDS had no choice and they are being punished....you are going off in another direction...

Racism is wrong and evil , too.

Again , we are discussing the CHILDREN so why are you so desperately going off on the parents? To DEFLECT?

DUHHHHHHH, married men can be pedophiles.

BUT correct !

 

What does their being children have to do with their parents breaking the law? The children suffer because their parents broke the law, not because we the Americans are enforcing the law. The fact that they have children is no excuse for letting these people off the hook. You're trying to play on people's sympathy for children to get their law-breaking parents off the hook for illegally entering the United States. That doesn't work on me.

[A] 2010 U.S. Department of Health study and report to Congress that found children raised by their married, biological fathers and mothers are actually the least likely to suffer sexual abuse.

https://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336813/

And I can't find it now, but there was a study that showed that men with regular access to a sexual partner (married) were much less likely to sexually abuse children. Cohabiting couples didn't decrease the likelihood, and a marriage on the rocks (no sex) increased the likelihood that the man would sexually abuse a child. There's some suggestion that priests are much more likely than the general population to be homosexual, as well. Allowing priests to marry would diminish the numbers of pedophile priests simply by sheer percentages, i.e., more heterosexual men would join the priesthood.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
That is NOT a defense of abusing children, that SOME aren't really the children of the immigrants. They are still CHILDREN.

That's STILL NOT the child's fault and MOST are the children of the immigrants...

Punishing children for their parents bringing them here is wrong.

. The KIDS had no choice and they are being punished....you are going off in another direction...

Racism is wrong and evil , too.

Again , we are discussing the CHILDREN so why are you so desperately going off on the parents? To DEFLECT?

AGAIN you are justifying abusing children because of something their parents did.

The children are suffering because the US isn't taking care of them properly and no amount of flimsy righty excuses will change that.

AND I see you couldn't refute one word of my post ….

I NEVER SAID IT SHOULD BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE TO GO OFF TOPIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

NO, I never said parents should get off the hook so you are MISREPRESENTING what I said.

AND I would never try to "play on the sympathy" of anyone who doesn't care about children....like their Jesus they have no compassion for the innocent.

Obviously.

Marrying does not stop child sexual abuse.

 

*shrug* Being an atheist, it's not even worth the effort to me to point out the multitude of errors here.

The Ten Commandments is an external frame of reference that gives a moral framework for society, one independent of political movements and will o' the wisp popular opinions. It's also a damned good one. A society based on the Ten Commandments is going to be a much better society than one based on Shariah law, atheist "ethics", Aztec code, or the shifting sand of positive law.

 

You are right it is my opinion that it is evil when I can save a child’s life and I just stand by and watch it suffer in agony. But then using your argument You state opinions about god and his actions as factual.
Do you think that God is good? Better than satan?

 

You are an atheist like I am a birther

 

So explain to me how you would a) lock up the parents without b) locking up the children with them or separating children from their parents. Either way, the kids are going into detention, which according to you is child abuse.

I presented a link that says it does. Perhaps you can present a link that says it doesn't.

p.s. Most men who abuse children are married only because 80% of the male population is married.

 

I think God is imaginary. However, the Christian God is much better than Satan, Allah, Zeus, or any of the thousand and one other gods running around out there. Moloch would be much more akin to the God that you imagine.

 

To people who worship the devil, Zeus Allah etc , would say the Christian god is worse . Who are you to say the Christian god is better? Opinion!