Ask your difficult questions of an Atheist.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    Your "10 Commandments" will DEPRIVE We the People of our freedom of/from religion, freedom of expression, right to own firearms, right to vote and the right to advertise and sell products.

    Taking those AWAY from We the People is IMMORAL but THEISTS want to IMPOSE their DICTATORIAL THEOCRACY against the WILL of We the People which is IDENTICAL to Sharia law.

    But thanks for establishing that you are only PRETENDING to be an "atheist" with your responses.
     
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    As usual, your bizarre interpretations of the Bible take center stage. Perhaps you'd like to explain specifically which commandment does each of the things you claim it will. Then I can point out exactly how full of **** you are item by item.
     
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    True. However, I have the results of history on my side. America is the most powerful, richest nation the world has ever seen. Rome in its heyday couldn't compare to America today. And America is (or was) the most Christian nation on earth, following a Protestant form of Christianity. Next closest behind America is the UK in the 19th century, which ruled a full 1/5th of the world, and it also followed a Protestant form of Christianity. Those nations which have followed Islam have languished in misery and darkness for a thousand years, and would still be there if they didn't have oil. Those nations which have followed Catholicism are still stuck in the 19th century. (PBS had a story about a man in Argentina, I think, who carried a library around by mule. In the 21st freaking century!) Eastern nations didn't start to emerge from the middle ages wherein they had been stuck until the Europeans forced them to engage in the 19th century. Do I even need to discuss how backwards Africa is? So I have the weight of evidence to support Christianity, and Protestant Christianity in particular, as having the best God out there.

    There's also a study out that says those third world nations that were converted by Protestant missionaries are doing better today than those that were converted by Catholic missionaries.
     
  4. Derideo_Te

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    :roflol:

    PF FLAMEBAITING Rule Violation ignored for derogatory reasons.

    So you don't even know what your beloved 10 Commandments actually say?

    Being FORCED to worship your imaginary god eliminates BOTH freedom OF and FROM religion.

    Not being allowed to utter the term OMG or even use blasphemy in jest your imaginary god deprives us of Freedom of Expression.

    The prohibition on killing means you lose your right to lethal firearms.

    Your imaginary god gets to IMPOSE himself as supreme ruler and no one gets to vote on their choice of leaders.

    The commandments against coveting makes advertising and selling of goods a violation.

    That you don't appear to comprehend the IMPACT of what it means to IMPOSE your THEOCRACY on our nation is coming across loud and clear in the THEIST content of your posts.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    That is NOT a defense of abusing children, that SOME aren't really the children of the immigrants. They are still CHILDREN.

    That's STILL NOT the child's fault and MOST are the children of the immigrants...

    Punishing children for their parents bringing them here is wrong.

    . The KIDS had no choice and they are being punished....you are going off in another direction...

    Racism is wrong and evil , too.

    Again , we are discussing the CHILDREN so why are you so desperately going off on the parents? To DEFLECT?

    AGAIN you are justifying abusing children because of something their parents did.

    The children are suffering because the US isn't taking care of them properly and no amount of flimsy righty excuses will change that.

    AND I see you couldn't refute one word of my post ….


    I NEVER SAID IT SHOULD BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE TO GO OFF TOPIC BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

    NO, I never said parents should get off the hook so you are MISREPRESENTING what I said.

    AND I would never try to "play on the sympathy" of anyone who doesn't care about children....like their Jesus they have no compassion for the innocent.





    I could have guessed you would NEED to be told a humane solution.

    DETAIN families together especially those with preteen children. It is traumatic for little children to be separated from their parents.

    Whether separated or not give them BEDS and blankets, even murderers in prison get BEDS and blankets.

    Give them adequate food.

    Allow independent spot checks from an outside organization that ISN'T housing them for profit.









    I NEVER said that either. SEE how YOU have to make things up just to have a point.


    Pedophilia is a mental illness, marriage does not cure pedophiles.


    And YOUR god CREATED this horror, this suffering, since he allegedly created everything.
     
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    LOL! "God is imaginary but better than other gods....
    :roflol: :roll::roflol: :roll:

    HILARIOUS!


    IF he's imaginary how can he be better than other gods......he can only be better in your IMAGINATION....:)
     
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    Heck, I know a country that keeps innocent children in dog kennels with no beds...in the 21st CENTURY!!!!
     
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    The Ten Commandments are a framework, not a set of laws to be implemented. There's nothing in the Ten Commandments that is contrary to the 1st Amendment. You're not free from religion in the United States. Anyone and everyone can come knocking on your door preaching their own version of heaven.

    Not a law to be implemented. Next you'll tell me that "Honor your father and mother" means that we can't prosecute parents who beat their children.

    Ridiculous assertion. Peter carried a sword on him all the time he was with Jesus.

    Ridiculous assertion. Our Founding Fathers were almost all Protestant Christians and set up a republic.

    Ridiculous assertion. There's actually nothing in the commandment about covetousness that applies to goods in the marketplace, only to the things that belong to others. Trade was a very important part of Jewish/Israelite life.

    That you don't understand that basing a legal system on the Ten Commandments is not imposing a theocracy comes across loud and clear.
     
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    :roflol::applause:
     
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    Here's what they refer to as "dog kennels":

    [​IMG]

    Note that this photo is from the Obama administration.
     
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    Indeed. Who is better, Freddie, Jason, or Santa Claus? They're all imaginary, how can one be better than the others?
     
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    Thank you for establishing that your subject matter of BOTH the 10 Commandments AND the Law of the Land is lacking across the board!

    Violating a no soliciting sign on private property means that theists can be PROSECUTED for TRESPASSING but you obviously don't know that FACT!

    Multiple states have BLASPHEMY laws on their books so that nonsense crashed and burned.

    Here is a NEWSFLASH for you, a sword is NOT a firearm and it is NOT covered by the 2nd Amendment which is something else you are obviously unaware of!

    The Founding Fathers were NOT implementing a THEOCRACY so I guess we can ADD a dearth of HISTORY subject matter knowledge to the growing list.

    Look up the DEFINITION of the term COVET and you will discover that it covers PROPERTY such as your neighbors ass which is where ADVERTISING comes in showing them having what YOU COVET to get you to go out buy it for yourself.

    Since we have established that you don't understand any of the above it would not be surprising to discover that you lack subject matter knowledge when it comes to imposing a THEOCRACY either.
     
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    Note: Those are dog kennels.....chain link fences and cement floors used in dog kennels.


    What TF Obama has to do with it is a mystery. If you think it's so wonderful then you should thank Obama, and then Trump for keeping it going...



    Heck, I know a country that keeps innocent children in dog kennels with no beds...in the 21st CENTURY!!!!
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    LOL! "God is imaginary but better than other gods....
    :roflol: :roll::roflol: :roll:

    HILARIOUS!

    IF he's imaginary how can he be better than other gods......he can only be better in your IMAGINATION....:)



    :) So all you have is imagination......Gee, I knew that from all your posts :)
     
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    xwsmithx said:
    *shrug* Being an atheist, it's not even worth the effort to me to point out the multitude of errors here.

    The Ten Commandments is an external frame of reference that gives a moral framework for society, one independent of political movements and will o' the wisp popular opinions. It's also a damned good one. A society based on the Ten Commandments is going to be a much better society than one based on Shariah law, atheist "ethics", Aztec code, or the shifting sand of positive law.


    :) You nailed it !
     
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    The first 4 commandments are signs of an egomaniacal god. And of course coveting and adultery are excused for our president.
    But I can covet my neighbors husband, because it only refers to coveting wives
     
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    Nope! It explicitly forbids you from coveting your neighbor's ass!

    ;)
     
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    So in other words, continue doing what they've been doing. Thanks for the helpful advice.

    Your darling AOC blocked that.

    AOC, Pressley Support Wayfair Worker Walkout Over Supplying Beds to Children on U.S. Border
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ver-supplying-beds-to-children-on-u-s-border/


    I'm 99% sure they eat better in federal detention than they ever did outside it.

    This is an interesting one. ICE facilities are open to independent inspection, but the for-profit facilities that house a great many illegal immigrants are not, simply because they are not federal facilities and don't have to cooperate with people/organizations that are not the government. And the organization that is paid to do spot checks on the facilities aren't doing their job. I'd be okay with this one.

    You have repeatedly referred to the separation of children and the locking them in cages as "abuse". I made nothing up.

    So are you suggesting pedophiles are less likely to get married? Because the evidence is that married men are less likely to abuse children than unmarried men. All the more reason the church should allow for married men to become priests then, isn't it?

    Not my God. And here's one Christian response to the accusation that God created evil:

    "Looking at things from a human perspective, it would make sense. If God created all things, He must have created evil. However, evil is not a 'thing' like a rock or a puppy. Just as cold is the absence of heat, evil is merely the absence of good. Therefore, creating good was all that was necessary for its opposite to come into being. Although God's creation was good, He put in it two humans with volition, the choice to obey or rebel. Sadly, they chose the latter. Just as Lucifer rebelled against His perfect Creator in the perfect heaven, so Adam and Eve chose to rebel against Him and evil was born out of that rebellion."


    What I think would be wonderful would be if these SOB's would stop coming here illegally.
     
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    Oh. more imagination!!! :)


    AND another wriggle squiggle defending this "imaginary " being...LOL!

    If YOUR god created humans then he created evil and suffering ....evil and suffering ( the suffering thing you are trying to doge from) don't exist without humans...
     
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    Because it's not a fact.

    "Our work of preaching the good news and leaving literature with people does not constitute solicitation. As we read from 2 Corinthians 2:17, "... We are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are, but as out of sincerity, yes, as sent from God, under God's view, in company with Christ, we are speaking." Our ministry is strictly voluntary and we do not solicit funds or profit from our work. Our literature is placed with people on a voluntary donation basis, that is if they wish to read it we leave it with them; if they wish to make a donation for that literature, we are happy to accept it and turn it in for them. Despite that fact, some people will object and refer to our preaching work as soliciting. If so, we can kindly explain that our work is not commercial as mentioned above, and that it is a missionary and evangelizing work, and that we are ministers. Therefore "No Soliciting" signs are not applicable to us."

    https://www.answers.com/Q/No_soliciting_sign_and_Jehovah_Witnesses


    Five, and it's likely they've all been struck down as of 2010.

    "On June 30, 2010, U.S. District Judge Michael M. Bayslon of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, in a 68-page Opinion, ruled in favor of Kalman, finding that Pennsylvania's blasphemy statute violated both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution."


    No one has actually been convicted of blasphemy in the US since 1928.

    "The last U.S. conviction for blasphemy was of atheist activist Charles Lee Smith. In 1928..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_the_United_States


    It was the deadliest weapon available at the time. The fact that Peter carried one on him implies that neither the Ten Commandment prohibition on killing nor his association with Jesus called being armed into question. I should have thought the implication was obvious, that the prohibition on killing has NOTHING to do with the right to keep and bear arms.

    Nor am I suggesting anyone should. Your inability to understand plain English is the problem here.

    Uh huh. Once again your novel interpretation of scripture comes to the fore. The commandment specifically refers to that which is your neighbor's, the point being that desire for that which belongs to someone else leads to evil thoughts and evil deeds. Nothing in the commandment prevents you from going out and buying what you desire, and the idea that it prohibits advertising is ludicrous on its face.

    the·oc·ra·cy
    (thē-ŏk′rə-sē)
    n. pl. the·oc·ra·cies
    1. Government ruled by or subject to religious authority.
    2. A country or state governed in this way.

    Since nothing I have said has suggested any political role for religious authorities, your claim that I'm suggesting a theocracy is so much horsecrap.
     
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    :roflol:

    Thank for proving me 100% RIGHT about your dearth of relevant subject matter knowledge!

    You can't even tell the difference between a SELF SERVING theist blog and the LAW of the LAND!

    :roflol:
     
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    Ah, so HUMANS created evil and suffering! Now that makes sense.
     
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    Regulation of Religious Solicitation.—Although the solicitation cases have generally been decided under the free exercise or free speech clauses,205 in one instance the Court, intertwining establishment and free exercise principles, voided a provision in a state charitable solicitations law that required only those religious organizations that received less than half their total contributions from members or affiliated organizations to comply with the registration and reporting sections of the law.206 Applying strict scrutiny equal protection principles, the Court held that by distinguishing between older, well-established churches that had strong membership financial support and newer bodies lacking a contributing constituency or that may favor public solicitation over general reliance on financial support from the members, the statute granted denominational preference forbidden by the Establishment Clause.207
     
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    They had a great role model...the guy in the sky!
     
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    I thought he didn't exist. For an atheist, you sure do blame God for a lot of ****.
     

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