Democrats getting more strange all the time.

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  1. xwsmithx

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    Do you or do you not agree that "Medicare for all" is a socialist policy? Because every single one of the 2020 candidates for the Democrats have endorsed it, including supposed moderate Tulsi Gabbard. Do you or do you not agree that AOC's Green New Deal is heavily socialist? Because at least half of the 2020 candidates have endorsed it. Do you or do you not agree that a 70-90% tax rate is socialist? Because many Democrats have endorsed it.
     
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    So no evidence? Thanks
     
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    We already have socialist policies, Medicare for example. Medicare for all, which I don't want, would only control how claims are paid, same as today. The hospitals would still run as they do today. The Green New Deal is looking to get rid of private companies? Do you believe tax rates are socialist in general? Or only ones that are 70-90%? Not sure how a higher tax rate suddenly makes it socialist.
     
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    Man, you are really in a ditch. First, half or more of Republicans like big government because they too like slurping from the privileged Democrat trough and controlling people's lives. Secondly it was the courts, not the government, who ultimately passed the law allowing any two people to marry. Thirdly, it was the Democrats and Bill Clinton that passed the Defense of Marriage Act. You need to be more discriminating when you make up stuff.
     
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    Well intentioned for, "Progressive Elites," is a more specific explanation.

    As Jonathan Gruber stated, "Stupidity of the American voter," is all about fooling the public into thinking that government controlled healthcare would work well.
     
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    Single payor-private delivery is not socialism.. but then some people don't know what socialism is.
     
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    When I was growing up, my father, who was a very astute business man, explained to me the concept of being, "house poor."
    People who were working very hard but ended up with almost no expendable income.

    Socialism, but its very nature, curtails the ability of individuals to make their own decisions and in effect, "subjugates their individual pursuit of happiness," for everyone except the top Progressive Elites who live on the total opposite end of the spectrum.
     
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    Jews vote Democratic because the Jewish demographic tends to be a highly educated demographic. Highly-educated demographics tend to lean left.

    And I'm not cheerleading the Jews here... See the Pew Research data for yourself. The first link shows education attainment level / religion. The second shows political affiliation / religion. Adherents of religions more likely to attain higher education are more likely to vote democrat. And conversely, adherents of religions LEAST likely to attain higher education are more likely to vote republican.
     
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    Which is why I have never nor will ever be a proponent for the US to be a full on socialist country. And so far, I don't know anyone who does.
     
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    And if that single payer tells you that you are not eligible for a procedure, what will you do then?

    The government currently denies reimbursement for about 42% more cases than private insurance does.

    What do you think will happen when virtually everything is funneled into the same black hole?
     
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    The government doesn't make the decision.. Your physician does.
     
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    What we have experienced with Obamacare should convince anyone with a functional capacity that government run programs are consistently inferior to what the private sector can provide.
     
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    Not that we don't believe you but could you provide the link to the 42% more cases of denials? Curious what type of denials are occurring.
     
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    Your statement, Margot2, is a FLAT OUT LIE. You are evidently oblivious to what happened with Medicare and Obama's targeting of rural healthcare reimbursements.
     
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    What govt run programs are you referring to regarding Obamacare? Private insurers offer health insurance coverage...there is no public govt run plan.
     
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    Jews vote Democratic because the Jewish demographic tends to be a highly educated demographic. Highly-educated demographics tend to lean left.

    And I'm not cheerleading the Jews here... See the Pew Research data for yourself. The first link shows education attainment level / religion.

    The second shows political affiliation / religion. Adherents of religions more likely to attain higher education are more likely to vote democrat. And conversely, adherents of religions LEAST likely to attain higher education are more likely to vote republican.

    The most and least educated U.S. religious groups
    Party affiliation - Religion in America: U.S. Religious Data, Demographics and Statistics
     
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    Rural facilities were closing at the rate of two dozen a year all thru the 1990s because they had NO economies of scale. Care was inferior for lack of specialty support and the costs were skyrocketing.

    That gave rise to some interesting solutions like in house internal medicine which admitted and followed rural patients and Physician Assistants.

    Measurable improvements particularly in cardiology care, obstetrics, diabetes care resulted.

    You're talking out of your hat.
     
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    Government healthcare sucks. Everyone knows that now.

    "About 50,000 have taken part in a union protest against austerity cuts and NHS changes...", "50,000 march in NHS cuts protest in Manchester", BBC, 29 September 2013.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-24286582
     
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    The claim rejection rate exploded under Obama to about one million backlogged cases that were generated as a result of his panel review system. The 42% reflects the same period.
    https://www.bracheichler.com/insights/hhs-ordered-to-clear-medicare-claims-appeal-backlog-by-2021/

    This is focused specifically on Medicare, but it provides the best explanation regarding what I am speaking to:

    "Another reason for the differential claims denial rates is the demographics of Medicare and commercial insurance enrollees. Almost all Medicare enrollees are over 65, while commercial insurers have enrollees who are of varying ages. Since older individuals are more likely to demand high cost medical procedures, if high cost medical procedures are the ones that are more likely to be denied then Medicare’s higher denial rate may simply be due to the composition of its enrollees."

    This speaks to what has similarly happened with the VA.
    Funneling that produces the same curtailment of important services being offered in a timely fashion.

    And the worst part of what now amounts to a scandal is that Republican Congressional districts were targeted by the Medicare panels.
     
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    Do you not want an auditing program for identifying and collecting improper Medicare payments?
     
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    Most of the hospitals that were closed were a result of Medicare reimbursement targeting by Obama bureaucrats using restructured criteria. (AKA death panels)

    Rural hospitals depend on Medicare census flow to be able to pay for their inpatient service overhead.

    Certain large corporate agriculture entities told the Obama cronies what land they wanted to purchase for pennies on the dollar. (15 to 20 percent of a small town economy is based on some forms of healthcare services)
     
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    The backlog was created on purpose... Backdoor death panels.

    Democrat impunity on display because they didn't think that the average voter would catch on.
     
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    Ah....the ole death panel crock of sh i t
     
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    The VA is NOTHING like Medicare. With the VA the government OWNS the facilities and employs the doctors and staff. That is socialized medicine. Americans should learn the difference.
     
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