Rue, Britannia <<Moderator's Warning Issued>>

What on Earth are you talking about?
Windrush is the name of a ship.

I won't have anyone little lone Corbyn or you try to hijack the good name Windrush for your own political gains.
It speaks volumes that to you, the word Windrush does't mean Windrush.

The Windrush was the name of a ship.

When people say Windrush, they think of the ship; until people like you use it describe other things. That's how it should be in the people's psyche, a celebration of Black Britain.

 

First, it is xenophobic... Dictionaries are online now...

Second, the British did quite well throughout history without any foreigners, yet many are now fooled into believing that they need these foreigners who have no ancestral ties to the country and eventually try to destroy it.

 

When did we do quite well without foreigners?
Neolithic Britain?
Scratch that, they were migrants from southern Europe.

 

Ancestral ties?
How far back does that need to go to qualify?

 

What nonsensical game are you trying to get me to play? Let me guess, something along the lines of "The Normans were foreigners in 1066... And the Windsors are actually German..." Once again, explaining the REAL problem away...

 

You know Jeremy Corbyn hasn't aged well.

 

You're still flannelling, address my points, where is you evidence to sustain your claim about 'English Nationalism'? Who the heck is Yaxely Lennon and who are the 'rulers' who instructed the leavers? Certainly not Theresa or David? I'm not unique, plenty of me about and no, British citizenship is all anyone needs.

 

I thought it was citizen John Smith. He stopped aging a long time ago.

 

He's a dinosaur. A relic of the failed socialist policies of the 1970's which led to the backlash which gave us the milk snatcher.
He's unelectable, couldn't even beat May.

 

The land border in Ireland is a real problem. Solve that.

 

Ireland leave the EU customs union but not the EU.
What's worth more to them, friction-less trade with UK or friction-less trade with France?

 

Corbyn is a communist IRA sympathising clown.

 

Ireland can come out of the EU too. If they don't want to, it'll be up to the EU to place border control on Southern Ireland's side.

 

Wow you must have had two sharp sticks when you started this thread.

 

Basically you are saying that your ignore the actions of the Conservative Government which caused so much harm to the people of that Generation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal

and you add a description of me as 'a little lone Corbyn' a personal attack against forum rules stereotyping me to what to you is a hateful term trying to pretend that what is known as one of the biggest scandles in recent British History was created by me.

You deny the Windrush scandal. That speaks for itself,.

 

Maybe what's worth most to them is not having to change on the whim of a minority of British people.
How exactly will you make your idea happen in practical terms, and is trade the only aspect of this?

 

I believe you are wrong.
If the UK wishes to come out of the EU, therefore establish a line of demarcation, otherwise known as a border it will need a controlled border with all that implies.
If the UK does not establish a border, the UK won't have left the EU and brexit will not have happened.
The majority voted 'leave' not 'stay joined (remain)'.
It is a peculiar kind of Orwellian doublethink that says you leave something by not leaving.

 

Maybe once but the Shamrock Awakening has changed that. I think we can come to some special accommodation with the south, the great British fudge is a fine tradition.

 

I have read two definitions of flannelling and I may assure you I was doing neither.

This is so well known there should be no need for me to give you links but if you must

The rise of English nationalism is something British politicians can no longer ignore


UKIP and the rise of English nationalism

Brexit unleashed an English nationalism that has damaged the union with Scotland for good


English patriotism is on the rise at the expense of a sense of British identity, with voters in England increasingly likely to describe themselves as solely English, according to research.

That should get you started.

You live in England and have never heard of Yaxely Lennon?

Check out who began the EDL

I would have thought that was obvious. Mogg, Johnson, Gove Farage etc.

 

You mention trade; allow me to expand on my own thoughts on this.

You hate the Tories for being greedy capitalists who're are dragging us out of the EU?
Think about that; Why would a greedy capitalist want to work against being able to trade?

As for is trade being the only aspect of this?
I believe trade makes the world go round.
Trade can start a war, trade can end a war.
I believe trade is a huge influence on action taken by leaders through out history.
I believe when you look at why a country does anything, trade is almost always the root cause and the end to justify the means - from espionage to alliance.

 

The British idea of a fudge may not be the same as the idea of whomsoever the British want to establish a fudge with.
The question won't go away, with two different systems either side of a land border, how exactly is that land border managed.
What do you mean by the 'Shamrock Awakening'?

 

Maybe it is peace that allows trade. Maybe questions of peace come before matters of trade.

 

Hmmm...


Close....


The EU (as well as many modern deals by countries around the world) is about trading with enemies in the hope to become friends. Populism is about trading with people who you're already friends with.

 

Well... You seem to think UK wants a border or will put up an EU border.
Why would USA put up an EU border, why would Japan?
Why would UK put up an EU border post Brexit?
Given UK doesn't want to and if the UK did, it will break the GFA.
Your border fear is a fear to express to the EU, not to UK.
I get that your Brexit fear is one to put to Westminster, however, your border fear is being aimed at the wrong side here, and UK agrees with you that it doesn't want a hard border on the island of Ireland.

 

If EU fear no border will lead to non EU custom goods passing through in to the EU and vice versa...


Make ROI special in the EU but outside EU customs, give Ireland the vote for this of course, to leave EU customs and argue Ireland being an island nation attached to Brexit and use the island nation argument and the Brexit argument to push the EU customs border back to the English Channel. You can cite UK and Ireland's absence from the Schengen Area to turn the Schengen Area into the new EU customs area, and make ROI really special, and let's try and cut the EU into Brexit deals so the EU can make money too if that's okay with the Irish and whoever UK finds to trade with. Could be USA, if it's EU customs, then, what's the point? imo...