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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Can you spell "schadenfreude"?
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    That would make him a sort of globalist wouldn't it?
    Attributing a common ideal to multiple independent nations.
     
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    We also did not cause the war of 1914. We joined a few days after you started it.
     
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    They dont have to negoatiate. They can leave by tomorrow. They want a deal. You do allow us to have own demands regarding that or do you think we dont have that freedom?
     
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    I dont know, they currently break their own country apart, make a clown show out of their parliament. We just watch with amazement so we assume some of them are hellbend to get a deal.
     
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    I voted to leave, not sure why some people think leave means deal.

    I think in a democracy, we vote for people to represent us and our views. The majority of the views was to leave. Those campaigning against Brexit (the likes of Corbyn et al.) are thus undemocratic, imo.

    The UK joined the EEC, the people didn't join the EU. We had Prime Ministers running off signing treaties. The MP's didn't take us in, how on earth can they vote on something to come out of that the people didn't join?

    If it remained the Common Market with a commission, we wouldn't be in this mess. I don't want to be part of a United States of Europe and thus voted to leave.
     
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    Time will show this to be completely untrue. And it's not long until judgment day.
     
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    In my experience the Irish population is far more internationalist than nationalist.
    What you think of as bigotry is more like an immense distrust by a small Republic close to a huge Monarchy that historically has caused death and havoc in the land.
    The distrust is fuelled today by things like the British Prime Minister Boris Johnson describing Ireland as 'the tail wagging the dog', and the British Home Secretary Priti Patel suggesting that food should be used as a weapon to bring the Irish to heel.
    Gradual is the operative word you used, because anti Irish racism runs deep in the British and it may take many generations to lessen.
     
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    I wouldn't argue with you.
    Isn't the problem that the victorious leave side don't know how to leave, especially in relation to establishing a secure controlled land border in Ireland?
     
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    Looking at the chaos in the UK, the collapse of their currency, the clown circus of their government, politicians changing party life during debate ect...

    We just watch and are amazed.
     
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    The clown circus is entirely due to the remainer MPs delaying the will of the people from the largest vote in UK history.

    Torie MPs crossing the floor were, without exception, remainers.

    Expectation of an increase in the export:import ratio drops your currency. This is based around fear over WTO tariffs which are generally under 3%. As this fear is unfounded, I have invested in GBP and expect to make a tidy profit once the dust settles.

    D-Day is approaching. In just over a month there willl be no speculation but reality. There is no realistic legal path to the UK avoiding no deal at this point - Johnson is polling far above Corbyn, the House of Lords will delay any anti-no deal legislation beyond Oct 31, the inevitible is coming.
     
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    And the EU just the same?
     
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    God knows the Irish have every reason to detest the British, but ... I've lived here a long time and I've never noticed any anti-Irish racism or whatever you want to call it -- but then, I've lived amongst middle class people in the South of England. At dinner parties they're not afraid to express their views on Third World immigration, so it's not a case of Political Correctness -- they're pretty much garden-variety Torties, most of them. For example, my very English wife's daughter married someone from Cork and I've never picked up even a tinge of any anti-Irish feeling from any of her Tory friends. To be sure, he's not aggresively Irish, not a strong nationalist. In fact, I've had to teach his children the best IRA songs . It might be different elsewhere, like up in Scotland where Rangers vs Celtics is real. (See The Old Firm).
     
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    Schadenfreude usually applies when there is a negative outcome for its subject.

    The Parliament has 3 days to pass anti-no deal legislation, the House of Lords has demanded full debate on 90 amendments.

    A bill which is utterly ineffective anyway, as the UK can claim it is still in the EU all it wants, it doesn't matter - the deadline is Oct 31 and the EU is against any extention.

    Even the election option is off the table for remainers as every poll says Labour will lose.

    Schadenfreude indeed, but not in the direction you suppose.
     
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    The british public is divided by 50/50. The remaimers dont accept and and now it runs on the wall.

    You know what Wolfgang Kubicki said? He is a Bundestagspräsident in Germany. He said, just kick them out today. Kick UK out EU and end this pathetic farce. Its like a bad show in TV and we get tired of this ****. We have other business to do than bother us with the UK clown games.
     
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    51.88/48.11 actually.

    There is currently no legal process for the EU to expel member states.

    Don't worry, you only have to wait 7 weeks.
     
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    Actually not. In Germany we dont have such public humilating displays of political chaos like in UK. Like politicians changing sidedüs live in TV.
     
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    It is not true to say that those who have crossed the house are remainers.
    Phillip Lee who joined the Libs yesterday stated quite clearly that he was doing it because he opposed no deal. He wanted to leave with a deal to avoid the damaging effect of crashing out.
     
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    What legal process did UK need to hijack iranian tanker? If we want kick uk out, they are out. Its called might makes right. Its not like the Uk has the influence or power to act back.

    How did president Xi of China say? UK is a small european country with no economic or military power. A mere open air museum.
     
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    Any deal on offer is worse than remaining.
     
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    Of course, but I would assume that the EU wouldn't openly violate their own law. Out of self respect for their own rule of law, not any concern for the UK - which as I said is leaving in 7 weeks anyway.

    Maybe that's a false assumption given the authoritarian, extrajudicial tendencies of the EU.
     
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    We violate laws evry day. Look how we crushed greece.

    And whats the problem? Why you assume we cant just end this farce? Afterall its what you want. You do understand that we get tired to waste time with this rubbish? What makes you think you are important enough to waste others time?

    And whats your problem with autocratic, extraterritorial tendencies? UK throws all laws ober board when their american masters order it. That goes as deep as piracy.
     

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