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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The dissolution of the United Kingdom will be the logical extension of the loss of Empire. The abandonment of London as the financial services capital of Europe will further insure England's diminution.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh yes Germany crushed Greece to support their former ally Turkey, in the same way they crushed Serbia to support their former allies Croatia and Bosnia. Now you can enjoy Erdogan's blackmail and the migrants he sends into Germany as well as Bosnia's heroin and terrorists.

    One has to pity the country's that are being deceived and pulled into the EU's spider's web only to be enslaved and destroyed by Germany. But that's okay, Trump will break up the EU. Their days are numbered.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not a bad thing. They will still have the support of the Anglosphere. I believe in small nation/states that will ensure the rights of the people within them - rather than those rights being superseded by a large central government. Everyone should be able to retain their own language, heritage and standards as long as they do not impose them on others with the belief that they are 'superior'.

    Globalism has its benefits, and believe me I enjoy those benefits everyday, but it is dangerous. A natural disaster or war would have us all starving because of our interdependency. This doesn't mean there shouldn't be any international commerce, only that everyone should have a certain amount of self sufficiency.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Interdependency is a reality, whether managed, mismanaged, or not managed. Self-sufficiency is often a limiting aspiration.
     
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    The leave wish to leave. It's the Remoaners that's the problem.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the bill to stop a No Deal Brexit has apparently passed the first stage with a majority of 29.
    This is the speech concerning Johnsons racism

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/st...g-no-deal-eu-no-deal-parliament-politics-live
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Bill to stop No Deal has gone through the first phase of voting with a majority of 29. Johnson has asked for a General Election on 15th October but Labour says No. They want to wait until the No Deal law has gone properly through. They also fear he may find a way to stop it until after the 31st. Basically how he has acted has created a situation where no on can trust him.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Johnson has apparently used the term 'purging the party' for those who have been member of the Party for far longer than him but who he has thrown out.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was listening to someone from the EU in Brussels talking. He said they felt a bit better now because they could see clearly what the situation in London was, the Tory Party had become an English Nationalist Party.

    Nothing would make Scottish Independence more likely than a Boris Johnson No Deal.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Breaking News.

    It appears that an amendment may have just been put through which it was said would ruin the attempt to outlaw No Deal. Not definite but Channel 4 are suggesting Boris and friends may have snuck it in.

    Some information on what this was - apparently a version of May's deal. Skulduggery is thought to be behind it.
     
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    I would prefer a AfD only government.
     
  13. Natty Bumpo

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    BoJo's being so desperately hellbent on brexeting at all costs,
    including the peace and prosperity of the Irelands,
    has guaranteed he cannot escape it for quite some time.


     
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    Strictly speaking it is not a bill to stop no deal Brexit
    The bill as laid out by Hillary Ben is to force the Government to apply for an extension if a deal has not been reached by the deadline. It does not outlaw Brexit as has been suggested.
    The detractors have pointed out that all it does is postpone the whole situation for the length of the extension then put us right back where we are now.
    If the backstop is to remain a red line then no progress towards a new deal is possible.
    No new proposals for a new deal have so far been put to the EU.
    Plus, of course, the EU do not have to grant an extension if they do not wish to do so.
     
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    WHAT? This is the anti-British bigotry I was talking about!. I've never experienced any anti-Irish racism in England either but plenty of anti-British racism from Nationalists.

    Don't joke about IRA songs, would you tell a Jewish person you were teaching a kid Nazi songs>
     
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    1. 4th August 1914

    2. 1st August

    3, Yes

    4. No

    5. No but it pressured Austro-Hungary to attack Serbia.
     
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    Correction. I meant to write ''it does not outlaw no-deal Brexit''.
     
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    Uuuuuh, where did you learn your history from?

    1. The British don't hate the Irish, we ARE the Irish. Many Irish Nationalists hate Britain, including their Irish Unionist neighbours
    2. No injustice with the plantation, Hugh O'Neil and the Gaelic lords plotted against Elizabeth, were discovered and fled, forfeiting their lands which she rewarded her followers with, English, Scottish and Irish.
    3. Off course Catholics could own land, where did you ever get that from?
     
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    It was very well thought out and still is, needs improvement and reforms.
    It has brought peace and prosperity to Europe. Some countries should not have joint, the UK and some of the Eastern European countries.
     
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    You do not understand Europe. Each European country is a micro cosmos of Europe, with different traditions, cuisine, dialects and so on.
    It has been done before, 1870 the unification of the German States. Has that erased the different cultures, traditions and so on, NO.
    If you are from northern Germany and speak the local dialect, just travel 100 miles South and you can not understand the folks. Or when I talk my local Kassel dialect, they do not understand me in Frankfurt, same State, 120 miles South. Even their High German, comes with a dialect and mine, too. Does my home State Hessen share the same interest, lets say like Bavaria, no, fierce competition, political and economical.
    They are only truly united in the Bundestag level, the Federal Government and even their they fight like cats and dogs
     
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    Germans is such a beautiful language, don't you think so ?:p
     
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    Which Germans would that be ?
     
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    I don't think the cases are comparable at all. The reverse, if anything.. It's a forced analogy, but the British were the Nazis and the Irish were the Jews, if you insist on a comparison.

    The IRA's struggle to oust the British from Ireland before 1921 was entirely just and supportable.

    The Provos' struggle in the 70s to force the North into a United Ireland, reversing the terms of oppression with the Protestants, was not. It was an example of 'interpenetrated peoples', very common around the globe, and in these struggles, as a rule, both (or all) sides are squalid. Such struggles are usually resolved by force, with the weaker side, the ones who survive, being forced to flee, or to live under the heel of the stronger.

    The United States will probably get a taste of these sorts of murderous struggles later on in the century.
     
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    I am a CDU member, left/moderate side. I think it is a huge mistake not to engage the AfD. Especially after the last election in Saxen and Brandenburg, the far right of the AfD candidates did well. Are all AfD voters that far out, no. Do the more moderate AfD need to be heard and their problems been taken seriously, yes by all means.
    It is my opinion that the CDU has to get of its ars and start listening to those folks, too. Take them seriously and not just dump them into the Brown bucket of trash.
     
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    Certainly.

    Its (previously) becoming a part of the EU...
     

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