Hamas fires rockets at Israel

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The IDF made clear it killed who it chose to kill - that includes the medics, press, women and children. Israel had no right to kill any of them.
     
  2. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you have all these evil, genocidal Jews (forget the millions of Arabs living happily in Israel, that's
    a myth) with guns, standing at the border fence. And you throw women and children against them.
    And every now and then, while these innocent people are throwing grenades and Molotovs around,
    some get shot.
    What do you expect?

    What to expect from the "sons of pigs and monkeys" who wantonly murder Arabs - and you tell your
    wife and kids to confront them? Really?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    INSIDE THE GAZA GHETTO? Were these people enemies of Hamas? Were they Hamas
    people protesting against Islamic Jihad for firing missiles into Israel? Maybe they were
    protesting about the growing power of ISIS inside Gaza, and were brutalized for it?
    Actually, violence is how politics is carried out in this Muslim culture, and to some extent,
    the West Bank.
    Oh.. and racism, oppression of women, exploitation of children - and before a fence was
    put up - using Gazans as suicide bombers in Israel.
     
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    Typical.
    Find killing civilians justified until the tables are turned. Do note, it's the Israeli Jews who are massively oppressing and ethnically cleansing the Arab civilians, and not the other way around. Israeli Jews massively support the ethnic cleansing of Arab Israeli's,... openly. It is what it is.
     
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    Define "ethnic cleansing".
     
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    notme Well-Known Member

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    I'm not your siri or alexa.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Evasion noted.
     
  8. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    You're noted for not being able to find a dictionary, and rely on others.
     
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    Blind leading the Blind ?
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Arab Israelis, those who chose to stay behind when their Mufti and Arab militia
    were calling for them to leave - live in the most democratic part of the Middle
    East. All street signs are in Hebrew and Arabic. Arabs vote for Arab parties -
    though not always - I think many fear one day Arabs might rule Israel. The
    Temple Mount is off limits to worshiping Jews - only Arabs can worship on the
    JEWISH TEMPLE.
    Doesn't sound like "ethnic cleansing" to me.
    Ethnic cleansing is what seven Muslim countries did to their Jewish populations
    last century - 400,000 Jews driven out. Ethnic cleansing is what seven Arab
    nations tried to do to the Jews in 1948 and 1967 and 1973.
     
  11. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    alexa, nobody cares about Gaza, Palestinians, Great March of Return to nowhere... nobody. More and more countries withholding aid to UNRWA, New Zealand, Swiss, Netherlands :applause:and Belgium being the latest, more and more countries speak up to Palestinians to cut it out, more and more countries opening embassies in Jerusalem and improve relations with Jewish country...

    I wonder why?
     
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    Alexa. Simply put, the new govt of Hamas does not accept Israel's right to exist.
    Note - RIGHT TO EXIST. It's the real bit of this RIGHT TO RETURN.
    Hamas refused a generous peace deal with Israel and began a campaign of terror
    bombings.
    As a result Israel erected the wall to protect its citizens.
    Hamas still seeks to eliminate the Jews, and wants Israel to pull down the wall.
    Israel is not stupid as many of the people who oppose them.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus
    A report from the military intelligence SHAI of the Haganah entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948," dated 30 June 1948, affirms that:

    At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration." A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases

    Only 5% did that. By far, most fled for Jewish terrorism. And that 5% weren't allowed to go home. It's a right. That is ethnic cleansing in the full.

    Nope. The Jews just left. Most Arab countries on the peninsula banned Jews to go. They left anyways. And due to foreign pressure they changed to law so Jews were allowed to go. And than Israel picked them up. Jews in North Africa, mostly Algeria, accepted French citizenship and helped out to violently oppress Arabs with the French. And when Algeria became independent, the French went hom to France where they belong. That aint ethnic cleansing.
     
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    Why did not Arab countries picked up fleeting Palestinian Arabs?

    Hm? :confusion:
     
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    If the Gaza actually attacked Isreal, why does Isreal not just take over Gaza and eliminate the threat once and for all? Isreal can return it to the Palestinians once the threat has been eliminated.
     
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    Why would Israel have to return Gaza? Israel sits upon one tenth of one percent
    of Middle East land. Many of the places still occupied by Arabs today are places
    with names like Hebron and Bethlehem - ancient Jewish cities, ones we recall
    from the bible.
    Certainly the Egyptian territory of Gaza wasn't Jewish, but if Gazans want to
    destroy the Jews (sons of pigs and monkeys) then in the next major war they
    should be driven out as well.
     
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    The movement of Jews and Arabs since the creation of Israel is a highly politicized story.
    And people are happy to quote their favorite sources. Yours is not accepted by the Israelis.
    They point out the official position of the govt in 1948 that Arabs should stay and that the
    Palestinian religious authorities said they should leave. And they point out, city by city,
    how many Arabs still live in Israel and what happened in each city during the fighting.

    It's the same with the 850,000 Jews who once lived in Muslim countries.
    The following is a more fair account of the Jews.

    The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries, or Jewish exodus from Arab countries,
    was the departure, flight, expulsion, evacuation and migration of 850,000 Jews… from the Muslim
    world
    , mainly from 1948 to the early 1970s. The last major migration wave took place from Iran in 1979–80….

    The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from Iraq, Yemen
    and Libya.

    … The reasons for the exodus included push factors, such as persecution, antisemitism, political instability,
    poverty and expulsion, together with pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionist yearnings or find a better
    economic status…The history of the exodus has been politicized… When presenting the history, those who
    view the Jewish exodus as analogous to the 1948 Palestinian exodus generally emphasize the push factors
    and consider those who left as refugees, while those who do not, emphasize the pull factors and consider
    them willing immigrants.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
     
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    Because Isrealis are not like them and want to destroy the Gazans (sons of pigs and monkey's). Plus it would cross the line diplomatically and Isreal will be truly alone to face the consequences of such an action.
     
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    Yes, why is it that Israel is held up to such scrutiny when other nations are not?
    Consider how Russia destroyed whole cultures and waged war against other
    people even in recent times (ie Chechnya) and China occupies other countries
    or areas (ie Tibet, Sth China Sea.) And these nations know that world will soon
    forget.
    The most interesting thing about the "consequences" for Israel when it fights
    BACK - there is more antisemitism around the world, and more Jews go home
    to Israel.
     
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    ... Because they have a lot of nuclear weapons. Every small nation knows that a nuke is a great negotiation tool. No one wants to start the war that destroyed the world.
     
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    If Israel used a nuke I would have to guess who would be the recipient of that weapon:
    1 - Iranian nuclear facilities
    2 - Hezbollah in Lebanon
    3 - Syrian nuclear facilities or a deterrence explosion somewhere in Syria

    Can't see it being used against Egypt, or the West Bank, or Iraq etc..
    And the strike would be limited - it won't destroy the world.

    Certainly if Russia and America get involved....
    (that is probably what the account in Ezekiel 38-39 is about - nuclear war in the new Israel.)
     
  22. Pisa

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    Wrong. Morocco doesn't have nukes, yet nobody cares about Western Sahara. Turkey doesn't have nukes, yet nobody cares about northern Cyprus.

    Ever heard of Isla Calero? Hotly disputed between Costa Rica and Nicaragua, nuke-less countries, yet nobody cares.

    Here's an interactive map of all disputed territories between mostly nuke-less countries:
    http://metrocosm.com/disputed-territories-map.html

    Have fun.
     
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    Small correction. Hamas does not accept the right of Jews to exist. In its charter Hamas calls for the murder of each and every Jew in the world.
     
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    Really? Didn't know that. And to think - Hamas might take control of the West Bank.
    And for every Jew murdered somewhere in the world - there's more Jews thinking
    of going back to Israel, and maybe living in some settlement.
     
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    What he means is that when you are dealing with a nuclear nation you are even
    more inclined not to get involved.
     
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