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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    I’ve never paid so much attention to a foreign parliament.

    :lol:
     
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    Suspension isn't voted on or he would have lost that too.
     
  3. Montegriffo

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    You really should get one of your own, it's a lot of fun at times.
    Can you imagine if the President had to come to Parliament and answer questions on his policies and statements from the opposition once a week.
    Trump would be hillarious.
    Especially if he got a telling off from the Speaker...

     
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  4. Thedimon

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    This is hilarious!
    I think Trump would be even funnier in Congress.

    Now, another parliament I find hilarious to watch once in a while is Ukrainian Rada:



    Nothing like a good brawl in the legislative part of the government.
    Russians used to be funny too, but as Pootin got his dictatorship thing going he effectively shut them all up and installed his own monkey there.
     
  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Germany didn't start WWI. The one thing Russia and Germany avoided was a war between them, so when the Tsar said he would support Serbia against Austria, the Kaisar tried to bluff him into pulling back by saying he would support Austria. It was too late though, the Russian troops were already at the front. It was an accident and a twist of fate that shouldn't have been.

    What wasn't an accident was the stuffing of the Lusitania with explosives so we could enter the war against Germany. It's sister ship was torpedoed 3 times and didn't sink.
     
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  6. LangleyMan

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    Europe is a short hop for people living on the East Coast. The UK and Ireland are great places to start traveling in Europe for Americans wanting to communicate only in English.

    Americans can always visit Canada if they want a no pain visit to a foreign country. Of course, Canada and the U.S. are so similar, you might forget where you are.
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    The UK will lose a lot of investment if it doesn't enter a customs union with th EU and sticks to a free trade agreement instead.
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    Give them a customs union or a free trade agreement. Their choice,
     
  9. LangleyMan

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    Germans amazed her neighbors by going for the Nazis.
     
  10. philosophical

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    From what I can see there has been nothing bad about the UK joining and shaping the EU, and nothing good about the UK leaving the EU that it helped to shape.
    Furthermore it leaves a decent functioning democracy to revert to an state with very dubious democratic practices.
    One example is the 2015 election where UKIP and the Green party got some 4 million votes yet only two seats in Parliament.
     
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  11. Reasonablerob

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    The whole idea of the shared customs posts is to avoid conflict and all they'd need is bring their passports, we renegotiate the GFA to accommodate this.
     
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    There can, it can be renegotiated to give the ROI special status.
     
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    Germany started the war, an incontrovertible fact, Germany wished to conquer living space in the east and subjugate Europe in the West, the war is all Germany's fault and Britain was the good guy, always. Hell, Germany started planting mines in British waters BEFORE Britain had even declared war!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm

    http://www.greatwar.co.uk/timeline/ww1-events-1914.htm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Königin_Luise_(1913)
     
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    Last gasp of the desperate, considering what we weathered when I grew in Londonderry this is nothing, they're beaten and they know it.
     
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    When you say bring passports don't you think the practicalities across over 300 crossing points are likely to be an issue?
     
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    Who is 'we'. Who do you renegotiate with?
     
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    Why should the EU give Ireland special status. It was not the EU who started all this. The UK has to sort it out.
     
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    That possibly would have been so if it had not been for Brexit though I heard that not an enormous amount had been done to make the lives of Catholics better and that those harmed by the recession were more likely to become recruits and that this was most among the young who had not known the 'troubles' and saw it as a way of making a name for themselves.

    Such groups are there and open to any at any time to those who who feel moved to them. Your belief above of just renegotiating the GFA being potentially something which could do that.. Who are you going to renegotiate it with?

    https://www.irishpost.com/news/sinn...e-solution-brexit-irish-border-debacle-171127


    Apart from that this article suggests the psychology in N Ireland is moving back https://www.businessinsider.com/bre...order-escalation-in-violence-2019-8?r=US&IR=T


    One would have hoped that would have been enough for people to take care not to mess with it and the GFA.
     
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  19. alexa

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    There does though seem to be a rethink of NI being in the back stop on its own possibly with a role for Stormont if it opens again
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/10/any-brexit-deal-must-be-acceptable-dup-bertie-ahern
     
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  20. LangleyMan

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    Blue collar workers feel increasingly threatened because their employment security is weakened by changing technology, stagnant wages, and immigrant labor.
     
  21. LangleyMan

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    Get used to having "3rd world scum" around you. They aren't going away.

    IMO, the EU should limit immigration and at the same time be very inclusive toward those you admit.
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    You have a trade agreement with Canada and no free movement of people with them. Why not have a similar trade deal with the UK? You have trade agreements with Switzerland, Norway, and Canada that could serve as models for trade with the UK.

    Do you as a German and EU citizen want to support Ireland pressuring the UK to keep the Irish border with Northern Ireland open by refusing to conclude even a Canada+ trade agreement as part of Brexit? If you support Ireland, let the UK decide whether or not they want to exit the EU without an agreement.
     
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    The UK can exit the EU without agreement, but with consequences.
     
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    London is a 7 hour flight from New York. That's not a short trip. Even if you think it is, the point still stands. Most Americans will never see the UK. Yet here they are, taking a position on Brexit, because that's what Americans do. And if the Labor Party had proposed it, Democrats would support it and Republicans would oppose it. For what reason, I'm still not sure.
     
  25. LangleyMan

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    Did Leavers anticipate the EU would back Ireland in its wish to keep an open border with Northern Ireland?

    Should the UK leave without a deal? Will Ireland have to accept the end of an open border with Northern Ireland and sign at least a Canada+ trade agreement with the UK? Is the UK prepared for at least the chance Ireland may block a deal?
     

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