Rue, Britannia <<Moderator's Warning Issued>>

Neither Norway nor Switzerland were ever fully integrated into the European Union, and so neither were ever confronted with the formidable complexities of extricating themselves and absconding from it.

The prospect of BoJo waving a magic wand and proclaiming, "Poof! We're Norway!" is not realistic.

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The Norwegian parliament had, between 1992 and 2011, approved 92% of EU laws unanimously, and most of the rest by a broad majority. (https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN06522#fullreport)

Since 1994, the Swiss have negotiated ten treaties with the EU, making a large share of EU law applicable to Switzerland.

Will BoJo toss aside the problematic menu and declare, "Oh poo! We'll just have what Norway and Switzerland are having!"?

Not an option.

 

I shouldn't have posted it in my other history and politics forum first. At least we chose different sources.
Interesting times indeed...

 

The English Judges have given their reason for saying it was legal in that it was political and they had no place there. The Scottish judges on the other hand said that the reason it was not legal was because the very point of it was to stymy Parliament.

There seems to be some disagreement whether the Scottish ruling is waiting till the UK Supreme Court hears the case on 17th September or should commence now and only stop if the Supreme court rules against it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...dges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful

They will also have an NI one to answer.

 

The poor wannebe dictator can not get a break.

 

No, it's just a fact that nation states tend to experience periods where bad things happen. Germany is not immune. The United States had slavery, a civil war, and Jim Crow.

 

Maybe the Tories will boycot Parliament when it is recalled...

It's not like he can pass any bills anyway.

 

Racism is not a sustainable policy. You should give it up. If you have a superior, inclusive culture, you attract people away from the culture they bring with them from their home country.

 

It's part of a range of options the EU is making available to the UK. Brexiters oppose free movement, but they aren't able to persuade a majority of Brits to initiate border controls with Ireland.

Are you prepared to negotiate a trade agreement with the UK without free movement, including across the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland?

 

This is quite a good article on the difference between the Scottish and English courts and where this is headed now

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ling-what-happens-next-in-prorogation-dispute

It doesn't look like Parliament will be recalled unless the Supreme court rules so. There has been a protest demanding Parliament be opened by Labour, Libdem and SNP MP's but no Tories.

 

No, I'm talking other benefits etc

 

NI is the UK

 

No, you pushed the Austrians into war to achieve the Sclieffen Plan and Septemeberprogram.

 

Joint customs posts so they couldn't attack us and not attack the Free State too

 

Yes they did;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlieffen_Plan

Unless you can prove me otherwise the Mauritania was never torpedoed. The Lusitania was carrying small arms ammunition, brass shell casings and detonators, none of which had any destructive effect on her plus this was 1915, the war was less than a year old and we weren't desperate for US help yet. You can file this one alongside the grassy knoll, Bigfoot and thermite in the Twin Towers

 

Lusitania was a war ship carrying ammo, which was destined to kill german soldiers. Sinking her was right. James Cameron dived the wreck. The sea floor was covered with her cargo...grenades, ammo ect. Ironicly it was her cargo that created a 2nd explosion which sunk her.

One thing, you brits build terrible stupid ships. Like the Titanic...but Lusitania was even worse. Installing flood gates in the middle of the ship is so dumb it hurts. It makes it inevitable for a ship to roll on its side.

 

We did not force serbia to murder the austrian crown prince, we did not order russia to declare war ect. UK, France could have stayed out of it. Fact remains, that the pact situation created all this. In the end the deeper issue was that the UK feared Germany could be the dominant power in europe. In the 50th because of american pressure the UK accepted losing its role to Germany

 

No free movement is a core principle. The EU and Merkel as well as Macron made xlear alot of things can be discussed but not the free movement. This point is not negotiable.

Its either free movement or no deal at all with all the consequences.

 

Racism is the immune system of evry healthy people.

We cant attract 3rd world scum away from their DNA. Germany is land of the Germans. Our land. Not uga buga land.

And racism works. In east Germany we are over 99% german. Non europeans get hunted in the streets.

 

I think if dissidents would attack customs posts, they will pay no heed to whether they are joint or not. There will be a hell've a lot of customs posts as potential targets given the number of crossing points I mentioned above.
I am pretty sure that such a customised border conflicts with the Good Friday Agreement, even if they could somehow be demonstrated to be within the Good Friday Agreement in some technical way, there are enough dissident forces to frame customs posts as being against the GFA and the Free Travel Area.
However your option, which I think of as the 'barbed wire' post brexit border arrangement is at least an honest option, because those who voted leave voted for such a controlled border whatever the consequences might be, they did not vote to remain joined.
I see the UK Government has specifically mentioned the Electricity market on the island of Ireland. is it because the UK is fearful about supply with a no deal exit? I assume the all Ireland arrangements come under the auspices of EU rules, and a unilateral withdrawal from the EU might threaten the 70% of electricity supplied to the UK side of the border from the EU side of the border. Any idea why the UK government mentions this Electricity stuff as one amongst many arrangements that come to a sudden stop with a no deal exit?

 

This article by Paul Mason tries to get at the psychology of the Cummings/Johnson mind. He believes that they are deliberately creating chaos hoping that this will result in people becoming weary and pliant warning that this is how Eric Fromm saw Germany prior to WW2. He sees the wc as divided as it has not been since the battle of Cable Street. He also sees the links between the Tory side and the Centrists and Trump and the Democrats in the US.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...lised-boris-johnson-pernicious-plan-democracy

Good read possibly with something to it.

 

Sure...………..

 

BS.
Olease quit writing such crap.

 

Electricity is a commodity, which gets traded across borders in Europe, within the EU it is free traded across borders. The utility companies sell each other excess power. That will be disrupted, when the UK becomes a 3rd country, without a deal.
Same with landing rights in the EU, a 3rd country and its airlines has to negotiate those rights with the EU. That's why Rayn Air moved its official head quarter. Any UK airline, with hq in the UK will loose those landing rights and so on.
That's why the Brexit deal has a transition period included. It needs time to sort it all out.

 

Not even a Canada+ trade agreement without free movement? Once they're out, what's to be gained by refusing liberalized trade?

 

It's not a sustainable policy, as I said. Europe will become a blend of races, but it can retain its culture if it wishes.