Tulsi Gabbard - The Democratic Party's Big Miss

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  1. God & Country

    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    shhhhh!!!!
     
  2. Kal'Stang

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    Wrong. A simple search would have shown you otherwise. But I can understand you getting it wrong. The media didn't exactly announce Obama's competitors after all...

    2012 Democratic Party presidential candidates
     
  3. FatBack

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    No need to, they are to damn arrogant to listen, anyways.
     
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    Sexest? Naw.
    Lighten up. :)
     
  5. Chester_Murphy

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    Aussies need not apply.
     
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    You're pretty ignorant on the whole matter.

    Hillary's team includes the DNC leadership, just like it was before. DWS, Donna Brazille, Stephanie Blake Rollings were the crew prior.

    You don't know Google did to Gabbard? Seriously? ... and you posted here? Do your work and then come on back and report to the class.
     
  7. Montegriffo

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    Trouble is being Syria's bitch isn't putting America first either.
    Running cover for Assad's chemical attacks is not a good look.
     
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    That's what we get for believing in globalism. Someone always has to be the heavy. Guess who that has been? We make ourselves targets rather than helping a good cause succeed. We think we know what is best for everyone. We don't.
    That's why we should not be getting involved with the world's issues.
     
  9. Montegriffo

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    I don't agree. I think someone should bomb the crap out of Assad.
     
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    Gabbard is not much better than Trump for the bent-nose public union crowd that controls much of Democrat politics. She has no powerful machine-groomed background, and not near enough time inside to be able to conduct D.C. graft to a safe enough degree to satisfy the Democrat power structure and cronies. Could she pull off monster gov graft like ACA and Solyndra? Not likely (more importantly would she? not likely). IMO it's that simple. Biden and Warren both have the Democrat machine (NJ/Mass) street cred and Sanders has never been anything other than a stalking horse weather vane.

    Want to know who will get the Democrat nomination generally? It's not hard to cipher out. It's either going to be a Southerner who can threaten to upend the Red South like Clinton or Gore (why they floated Beto), or a Big Blue City machine union puppet graftmaster. The Clintons made the transition to Democrat graft machine insiders over three decades, and that's the only reason HRC was ever an option. Ironically, had the Clintons not transformed themselves in this way over the years, Joe Biden would likely be POTUS today instead of Trump. <shudder>
     
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    Do it yourself instead of asking us to spend billions for you and at what cost in innocent lives?
     
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    If you want to talk about innocent lives you can look up barrel bombs and chemical weapons used by the Assad regime.
    You've already paid for those bombs, use them.
     
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    Fight your own battles.
     
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    Trump already dropped 50 missiles on Syria, what makes you think he won't do it again. He needs a little boost in the polls.
    He's about to support Saudia Arabia taking revenge on Iran.
     
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    About to is like a Red Flag law.
     
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    She's the big Miss. And Beto, who they have been hitting with the paddles since he went on life support, he has suddenly become the Big MESS.

    Beto O'Rourke goes from golden boy to problem child for the Democrats

    In the Democrat presidential debate held in his home state of Texas, Beto went from a disappointing flash in the pan to an outright problem for his party.

    "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15."

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    Most Democrat officeholders were horrified that Second Amendment–supporters now have an actual prominent Democrat saying what lurks in their own hearts. The AP reports on the consternation that has resulted:

    Democrats have long contended their support of gun control laws does not mean they want to take away law-abiding citizens' firearms. But on Friday, they struggled to square that message with their presidential contender's full-throated call on national TV for confiscating assault rifles.

    Democrat Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware, a close colleague of Joe Biden, took to the airwaves of semi-official party organ CNN to lament:

    I frankly think that that clip will be played for years at second amendment rallies with organizations that try to scare people by saying Democrats are coming for your guns.​

    Beto responded by doubling down.

    Trump warned at a Republican retreat in Baltimore, "Democrats want to confiscate guns from law-abiding Americans, so they are totally defenseless when somebody walks into their house."

    Republicans, Trump promised, "will forever uphold the fundamental right to keep and bear arms." That line got huge applause at the GOP retreat, and again Friday when it was repeated there by Vice President Mike Pence.

    Trump will benefit by running up the score in rural areas in his reelection campaign next year. The 2020 outcome will depend heavily on a trio of Rust Belt states — Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — that have yuge numbers of rural voters, many of whom are gun-owners or sympathetic to owners on this issue. Democrats' hope of winning control of the Senate rests on states with high rates of gun ownership, like Arizona and Texas.

    O'Rourke has now forced Democrats to either cater to their radical faction on guns at the expense of alienating gun-owners and those who respect the entire Bill of Rights or alienate the radicals in order to placate the gun-owners and their allies.

    Thanks, Beto!
     
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    The guy is not even a factor anymore. Trump will be running against someone else who cares what he says?
     
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    We don't agree on much Daniel, but we do agree on this...
     
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    He was never going to win the nomination, but we care because it's just another reason to point and laugh at democrats, who can't quite figure out how conservatives have figured out their master plan.

    How could those Trumpettes know that "we simply want some commonsense gun legislation" is a dog whistle for making the ownership of any weapon a capital crime? Well, the answer is in principles. The left are principled people, which is why they are so predictable. A principled person who thinks that stealing from people is bad is going to always think that stealing from people is bad.

    By assuming that the left are highly principled people, it's as easy as pie to figure out what they are up to. Their only defense can be a soggy wishy-washy attempt to claim a lack of principles, which nobody falls for anymore. So we get ridiculous comebacks like "He's just one guy, so what makes you think he speaks for ALL democrats?". The answer is because democrats are principled, and if he wasn't speaking for them, they would have ejected him as quickly as they ejected Tulsi Gabbard. They would be protesting on the lawn in front of Diane Feinstein's mansion with signs that say "DINO Go Home!".

    The open borders thing is just as obvious. You've got open border advocates who live in gated communities behind enormous walls that seal off the grounds of their estate, walls on their mansions, alarms on every window and door, and sometimes private security guards just in case there's an unexpected breech in the perimeter. So when these people start talking about how they aren't for open borders, but a wall won't work, we know they're lying.

    And please don't get me started on global warming nuts who fly to global warming conventions in private jets!!!!
     
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    So what you are really saying is that we should bomb the crap out of the Syrian people. Same crap from the pro war right.
     
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    Nice speech, but it’s a long way to go before the election. If the Democrats run a really crappy candidate with a crappy campaign chairman like last time, Trump has a good shot at pulling another one off, that’s for sure. He is a hell of a campaigner and he loves it. However if the Dems run a good solid candidate who hires some highly skilled political consultants while more and more sleaze continues to ooze out of Trumps regime, it could be a long night for Trump and the GOP next November. That’s why I love election years, you never know what’s going to happen. One thing is for certain. If Trump wins again, he deserves it and we as Americans deserve him too.
     
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    Putting on airs is all that is required .. and Trump has done more than that. He has delivered abortion law in 3 states - only allowed prior to heartbeat - roughly 6 weeks.
     
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    I confess I don't have much of an opinion about Tulsi Gabbard up or down. The fact is, I don't know much about her. All this talk about her "winning every debate" escapes me. I think I follow politics closely and I cannot remember her making much of an impact on the debates. All the stuff and nonsense about here being attacked and vilified by some group or another makes no sense. I haven't heard her mentioned in the media for weeks or months. She seems like a nonentity except to a few few fans around here and they never discuss her beliefs or policies.

    Believe she served honorably in the military, but I don't know what branch. I'm certain I could find a write up on her but I don't know why I would. She seems out of the game or lost in a crowd.
     
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    Being on the left myself I support her fully but shes still very young and unfortunately has a little bit of baggage from the lefts perspective. Given that she used to be completely against gay marriage even civil unions. She no longer has this view but it will take a bit to get past it I think. Also her views on foreign policy, although are definitely in the right direction don't go far enough imo. But it's definately extreme from the establishments perspective. She is a new democrat, a progressive, hopefully where the DNC will be going in the next 10 years, something started by the anti establishment left Bernie base.
     
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    I wasn't trying to predict who is going to win. Just trying to explain how it's possible to say "lefties want X" even though they claim up and down that they don't really want X, but maybe an x isn't completely uncalled for.

    As for democratic nominee predictions, I think it's fair to say that it's either going to be Warren or Biden. Of the two, Warren can go the distance without too many gaffes if she has a good campaign manager she will listen to. Biden is the guy most democrats would like to have a beer with, but that is countered by how many would let him babysit their kids. If only the democrats could pull another Obama out of their hat, they'd be whistling dixie right now.

    I don't think it matters what political consultants they hire. The democrats have an incumbent with a good economy hill to climb. What they don't have is a charismatic candidate. Sans any huge surprises, Trump will probably win. However, we both know that there are going to be a lot of surprises.
     
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