Massive Fires In Saudi Arabia - Aramco Oil Facilities Hit By Drones

No Saudi oil fields were destroyed during the years that the JCPOA was in effect, were they? The fact is the Iran deal WAS WORKING.

 

All that remains for China is to convince Pakistan to finish the pipeline.
A big bargain for China and a work around for Iran.

Chinese presence
Among other benefits, Chinese companies will be given the first refusal to bid on any new, stalled or uncompleted oil and gasfield developments. Chinese firms will also have first refusal on opportunities to become involved with any and all petchems projects in Iran, including the provision of technology, systems, process ingredients and personnel required to complete such projects.

"This will include up to 5,000 Chinese security personnel on the ground in Iran to protect Chinese projects, and there will be additional personnel and material available to protect the eventual transit of oil, gas and petchems supply from Iran to China, where necessary, including through the Persian Gulf," says the Iranian source.

$280bn — Chinese investment in Iranian oil, gas and petchems sector
"China will also be able to buy any and all oil, gas and petchems products at a minimum guaranteed discount of 12pc to the six-month rolling mean price of comparable benchmark products, plus another 6pc to 8pc of that metric for risk-adjusted compensation."

Under the terms of the new agreement, Petroleum Economist understands, China will be granted the right to delay payment for Iranian production up to two years. China will also be able to pay in soft currencies that it has accrued from doing business in Africa and the Former Soviet Union (FSU) states, in addition to using renminbi should the need arise—meaning that no US dollars will be involved in these commodity transaction payments from China to Iran.

https://www.petroleum-economist.com...hina-and-iran-flesh-out-strategic-partnership

 

Are you referring to Port Gwadar?

Now I've read it. Yipe. Trump hasn't done much good has he? This article deserves its own thread.

 

Well actually I'm referring to the pipe line. But it probably will hit Port Gwadar.

 

That article is a lot to take in.

https://www.timesleader.com/opinion...eign-policy-has-produced-a-string-of-failures

 

Please feel free. I'm just a bystander.

 

I agree this wasn't a false flag. Now lets see if (a) the Saudis are willing to point the finger of blame towards Iran; and (b) what Trump will do even if they do?

Indeed, instead of making silly noises representing your wish list, why don't you share your view as to what action (if any) you expect the US to take?

 

There is a lot of evidence supporting the idea that the attack was actually a cruise missile attack fired across the gulf or Kuwait from Iran.

 

In the meantime, the Wall Street Journal is running with this story, which suggests that there are those (no doubt part of the pro Israel lobby) in the US trying to push the Saudis to point fingers at Iran, seeing how Trump has basically given the Saudis the task to step up say what they want and think.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-tells-saudi-arabia-oil-attacks-were-launched-from-iran-11568644126

 

Strange that all this talk about evidence that the attack came from Iran yet none has been presented. Now you say that it is a lot of evidence!

 

I would be very surprised, and find it rather uncharacteristic of Iran, for these attacks to be staged from Iran, as apparently being claimed by the US.

 

Of course it was.

I have stopped trying to figure that out. I honestly have no idea why they still own anything that floats or flies. I guess we'll watch and learn together.

 

They are saying it came from the north west.. To me that means Basra.

 

You know what they say... The third guess is the charm.

 

Nikola Tesla wanted to give the world free energy so wars would end, and that was the end of him. Not a mention of him in the history books, only the names of those like Edison and Marconi who stole his patents.

​

Let's sing a song and loudly shout
and tell the world what it's about.
And how a man's hard work and toil,
could not get done without that oil.

So let's go now to fight them all,
and show them that we're brave and tall,
pretending that it's for our need
when knowing it's for corporate greed. - Jeannette ​

 

Basra is heavily Shia. There would be strong support for Iran there.

 

Oops! That sounds like a war with Iran is imminent. So the problem now is how to go about it and stop China, and where can it be fought? I guess Basra would be about as good a place as any - or for that matter, any place in Iraq with a Shia population.

 

There is no doubt that Iran is supporting Houthis but there is also no doubt that the Houthis are legitimately fighting off Saudi aggression from a brutal 4 year war in which Saudi has mercilessly bombed civilians and caused the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today. This is all on Saudi Arabia and the western nations who supply the hapless Kingdom with arms enabling them to carry out their atrocities.

I honestly don't know who is responsible for the attacks on Saud oil facilities but it would not surprise me if it was the Houthis with outside help. This shows that the Houthis are starting to take the upper hand in this war and that they are now able to direct attacks deep into the Kingdom itself. Saudi Arabia has a terrible military of incompetent corrupt leadership and forced conscripts and mercs that have no real interest in the outcome in Yemen. The Yemenis on the other hand are fighting off a foreign aggressor. The richest country in the world attacked the poorest and they are losing.

Don't forget that most of the Saudi oil fields are in traditional Shia territory - territory that has been suppressed by the Saudi princes since the beginning for the profit of the Saud/Wahhabi/Salifi princes who rule with an iron fist.

It would not surprise me at all if Shia underground groups within Saudi itself helped facilitate this attack from within.

 

They can say what they like but still no evidence

 

That is the Houthi version of what happened and the most credible account so far.

 

You know a little bit about Arabia, but nothing about Yemen.

 

Well, look at a map. Abqaiq is 37 miles southwest of Dhahran and flying distance from Abqaiq to Basrah is just 338 miles.

 

Yup. They have the motive and the means.

The Saudi/American response will be so important. I don't think that Iran is of a mood to back down at all. Am I the only one that thinks we are on the precipice?

I've said this before and calmer heads have prevailed but the US actions since tearing up the JCPOA have amounted to economic warfare. We have been heading here from the moment the Admin reimposed sanctions.

I usually think in terms of probabilities of events taking place. The probability of avoiding a major conflict has lessened in my opinion to around 15/85 against.

Very dangerous moment with very unstable people at the helm. This can only mean more global instability all around without some kind of intervention by cooler minds.

 

Nothing is a pretty strong word.....what am I missing in your opinion?