Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official

Trump certainly changed Obama's policy with Iran and North Korea. In the latter case he changed the policy of several US Presidents. His refusal to go to the Paris meeting on global warming was also a precedent as well as his stand on NATO.

Will Trump's actions be defined as America's actions in later years, despite the protests, or will they point to Administrations instead. I believe, from a propaganda point of view, it's easier to blame "America".

 

How in the hell am I rooting for all Qaeda.

 

You failed to admit the Iran exports terror.

Your posts are nothing but blather and falsehoods.

 

I have written many posts on this topic. Our foreign policy is - at least in part - dictated by the big money interests that influence the Establishment elite Political and Bureaucratic Class. Their interest are not always in the best interest of the US - the interests of the US are more of a secondary consideration.

 

Iran is Shia and not Sunni, and almost all the terrorist groups are Sunni. Here are some of them:

1 - ISIS in Syria is Sunni.
2 - Al Queda in Iraq is Sunni.
3 - Al Nusra in Syria is Sunni.
4 - The Taliban in Afghanistan is Sunni.
5 - The PKK in Turkey are Sunnis.
6 - The KLA in Albania are Sunnis.
7 - Boko Haram is Sunni.
8 - Lashkar-E-Toba in S.E. Asia is Sunni.
9 - Tehrik-i-Taliban in Pakistan is Sunni.
10- Al-Shabaab in E. Africa is Sunni.​

Only Hezbollah is Shia and I wouldn't even consider it a terrorist group but rather a Lebanese militia supported by Iran. So why are you saying Iran exports terror?

 

When you talk of the "Establishment elite Political and Bureaucratic Class" are you referring to what's going on in Iran?

 

How the hell do you have such a strong opinion on this issue - and not know that we are on the side of Al Qaeda in Yemen - as in Al Qaeda is doing much of the fighting.
Further - Saudi Arabia is the # 1 State Sponsor of Terror on the Planet - hands down.

Your have not given any substantiation to your claim that the Houthi's are like the Taliban .. and even if you did that would not be a reason to favor Al Qaeda.

The fact of the matter is that the Taliban ideology is the Saudi inspired extremist Sunni Salafi Islamist ideology - An ideology that El Saud has been spreading around the world for decades .. arming and supporting these groups.

The Houthi's are Shia Muslims - not Sunni. Iran is a bastion of individual freedom and liberty compared to Saudi Arabia. There are no Houthi .or Shia groups for that matter - going around the world and committing atrocities. (Hamas and Hezbollah are a completely different story - they are fighting for their land) - as are the Houthi's .. but even if you were to include these into the basket - they are not nearly as bad as the Saudi inspired nut jobs .. which include

Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Islamic Front, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, the wing nuts in Pakistan and India .. and so on.

That is the club you are in if you on the side of Saudi Arabia. I am on the side of the people in Yemen who have been slaughtered like pigs by Saudi Arabia - the people who are being starved to death by an illegal blockade - called by every nation on the planet - including the USA -a crime against humanity.

 

Yes indeed .. and certainly with respect to the war in Yemen. Perhaps you can tell me how siding with Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia in Yemen is in our interest. Do include an analysis of both sides - any fool can come up with some platitude (we are stopping Iranian hegemony) essentially repeating spoon fed propaganda.

What I am interested in is whether or not this is a benefit to US interests .. over and above the cost =

So do include the costs in your analysis.

 

I asked a question and you kindly responded. I'm all for ignoring the ME as much as possible, with the exception of Israel. Let them deal with each other and Allah can sort it out later.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Iran a "bastion of individual freedom". You talking about the same pig manure country that sentenced a woman to 24 years in prison for removing her "J Habib" orvwhatever you call it?

 

Any war that erupts between Iran and the United States as a result of the US coming to the aid of Saudi Arabia will tell anyone who has the slightest clue what the war against Iran has been about. Not that I am worried about such a 'war': the idea is ridiculous to me. Unlike the American people, who have been misled all their life about everything relating to Iran, I actually know what both Iran and the US have to pack -- and the punches they would be able to deliver in case of war. And I know neither one will enjoy a war and the chances of either intentionally starting a war are low. Even if each will test the other to see how far they can go without actually going to war.

But, of course, the American people are often frankly shown to be entirely without a clue even when the facts are difficult to avoid. We don't need to go too far back: in the war against Assad in Syria, you had America trying to unseat a secular leader who at least held elections, preaching democratic values while standing next to a bunch of self-appointed despots who had never faced any elections any their lives! And the groups they were supporting to bring democracy to Syria? The list is long but except for some figureheads paraded on television who were more 'marketing agents' for the US than any real 'opposition figure in Syria', the rest were basically various incarnations of the Wahhabi ideology of ISIS and Al Queda.

When I say this, people take it lightly it seems: but you guys really need to worry about your internal affairs! Any system that can promote such nonsense, such propaganda, and such lies, requires ways and means to promote liars and propaganda artists and demote those who can bother to tell the truth. And that system is ultimately neither democratic nor free nor anything but corrupt.

 

Lies about Iran won't get you anywhere. Butchering the truth might help those who promote lies advance in America's own political system, and thereby make it even more corrupt than it is, but it won't change a damn thing in the dynamics of any real conflict between Iran and the United States. No more than Israel yelling Hezbollah are terrorists, and pretending whatever else they wish, change the fact that Hezbollah has 150,000 rockets and missiles pointing at them. That silly nonsense will work only when you are mowing down defenseless Palestinians and need to pretend that the ones mowing them down and kicking them out of their homes are the "good guys" and the ones being kicked out are evil.

 

The US and the other democracies will only watch SA and Iran mess with each other. The Islamic crazies have been warring with each other for centuries and it's not going to change any time soon.

 

No answer for that poor Iranian woman who got 24 years in prison for uncovering her head? You must be one hell of a supporter of " personal freedom".

 

There is a whole thread on that subject and maybe (probably not) you would get to know the truth about the issue. That no woman got '24 years in prison" for "uncovering her head". That these are lies and simply supporting the side that engages in it, means you are ultimately corrupting your own system. Nothing more as Iran isn't going to be affected by any of these lies. In fact, lies directed within Iran and for the people in Iran, aren't as stupid and obvious as this. They need to be a bit more creative and sophisticated to work.

 

Good call, why get involved with blood feud that has been going on for 1400 years?
Just tell them, call us when yoy growup.

 

The Islamic crazies were actually living in their desert and were, for much of history except a brief period, rather insulated from everything going on in the actual history of the region. The two principal powers that fought one another under the banner of Sunni and Shia Islam, the Ottoman empire and Iran, respectively, were both Iranicized (so-called "Persianaite") societies which produced cultures and societies which rivaled what you had in Europe at the time. Which is why their respective capital cities, Istanbul in Turkey and Isfahan in Iran, are such great places to visit even today. And why you had some crazies in the deserts of Arabia brood over the fact that they had been so quickly sidelined, even from the time of the Abbasid caliphate which was nominally ruled by them but was in fact under Persian culture and administration producing the Golden Age of Islam. And why such brooding led them to adopt ideologies seeking to 'cleanse' the Muslim world of the influence of Persians who they felt had corrupted "true Islam" away from its pristine, Bedouin Arab, past. Their Wahhabi ideology, however, concerned no one until the Americans began to meddle in things and try to help promote and support these deranged and backward Bedouins.

 

Is that why Iran bombed SA?

 

I am of the same mindset - but are you not curious as to how these straightforward and obvious questions - such as that posed in my post - are not addressed in any significant way by the Media. It is not so much about having an answer as it is noticing what a land of propaganda we have become.

 

Compared to Saudi Arabia - Iran is a bastion of individual freedom .. Nice try at misrepresenting my post though

What is not a misrepresentation is that you are apologizing for Al Qaeda and others of the same ilk.

 

I don't know if Iran actually bombed Saudi Arabia, or helped those being bombed Saudi Arabia, bomb it back. But regardless, what I explained is about the underlying currents behind the ideologies of the Wahhabi and those they fight, whether "Sunni" or "Shia". The fight between Sunni and Shia, insofar as it was being fought between Iran and the Ottoman empire, was more like a "civil war" -- albeit one affected by a longer history predating Islam, where the rulers of Anatolia (be they the Romans or Byzantines) had fought Iran over some real estate and those who succeeded them in these places continued that fight.

But the Wahhabi ideology wasn't about picking sides between the Ottomans and Iran, but rather one that went against both of them. It was also rather irrelevant as no one really paid attention to what was being preached in the deserts of Arabia until rather recently, when oil wealth allowed the Saudis to spread their ideology to all sorts of places, often because the US wanted their help to fight off Iran.

To begin to understand the real issues, et me start that lesson posting the following -- which is what the Wahhabis have been fighting, whether Sunni or Shia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persianate_society
Persianate society

 

Talk about an 'exception that covers the rule'!

That is what much of American foreign policy is about already -- and why America is entangled in every conflict, and sub-conflict, which somehow Israel has started to make itself feel comfortable enough in a region which it didn't belong. And decided in conjunction with America's military industrial complex, it needs to dominate to belong.

 

The Deep State is so busy trying to bring down trump that its not inspiring confidence in its primary duty

Obama politicized the CIA and FBI so much that they are even more incompetent than usual

 

Yes, Muslims have had quite a past and they still brood and take revenge over their blood feuds, much like the Hillbillies once did in rural America. But, unlike the Islamic sects, the one time Hillbillies modernized and now have successfully blended into the modern world. Muslims should do the same.

 

And the IRS and EPA. There are probably others.