Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official

Now the intelligence community is saying the Ayatolla approved the attack on KSA providing it couldn't be proven that Iran did it. What is the end game for Iran? What is their hoped for outcome? They haven't benefitted Lebanon or the Palestinians or Yemen.

Chanting death to America, death to Israel seems pretty asinine to me.

 

One minute they are saying they can prove Iran did it, the next that the Ayatolla agreed as long as it could not be proven Iran did it - are we seeing them having to admit they do not have evidence Iran did it?

 

I think it will be hard to come up with evidence of something that is likely not true! The truth about this issue will emerge, sooner or later. For now, my money is on the theory I mentioned. Namely, the attacks were not launched from Iran, but from Houthi controlled territory in Yemen. And the military industrial complex and the billions of dollars, along with the many geopolitical implications of it, have forced the US to try to come up with this theory of the launch taking place from Iran. That the US might have picked up communications from Iran that is being claimed is, therefore, besides the real point. If anything, it only detracts from the arguments they have made. Iran would not launch from its own territory if it was looking for plausible deniability.

 

Very good point. Perhaps this is the latest they are going to try.

 

That's not what I have been reading. Pence has been saying they will talk to US allies but Trump is playing things down except to mention sanctions. I seem to remember they are getting so low on anything to sanction that last time it was people who had nothing they could sanction.

 

Why, you don't think they know the US wants to go to war? How many buses do you think will be driven on to sidewalks with hundreds of people on them? How many car bombs in
our cities?

For what reasons, to be able to sell some jets and a nuclear power plant to SA? We export oil now, we don't need thier stinking oil anymore.

 

All our radar is digital now, we know where the cruise missiles cam from. They just want Iran's oil and the Saudi's want that sect punished for not being true believers.

 

You don't know jack! The missiles that hit the Saudi refinery are designed to fly low enough to avoid detection. To admit that will mean that there will be far fewer takers for your air defense systems. Also it would put the US in a very bad position when it comes to game of chicken it likes to play against Iran.

Don't worry: at same time Trump is being told by his own military he has no good military options against Iran, the military industrial complex will be running a propaganda show to blame him for being "weak" lest they suffer more from all of this.

 

We'll see. Y'all just be careful and think it through.

 

'Fight' said the crocodile and the anaconda strengthened his hold.
'Fight you coward!' exhaled the croc and the snake exployting the shranken air volume tightened his hold.
'Fight' cried the croc, then he said no more.
'Dinner is served' the snake finaly said, no one answered.

 

Trump is going to do what his base wants, and his base ALWAYS wants war, though he may try to jail some more immigrant children or insult a minority to distract them. Wait, I know, he can visit the Bahamas; paper towels everywhere and Melania gets to wear her new "**** You Poor People" Coat. We won't even notice the extra dollar a gallon.

 

Who wants Iran's oil? You don't seem to know the first thing about the ME.

The Saudis are observant not zealots...

 

His base want the "idea of war" they have been sold by the neocons, not the reality of war with Iran. I don't think their base want the global economy to collapse, and with it, the position of the US dollar, while watching American bases all around the region, American naval vessels, along with Saudi, UAE, Kuwaiti, et al oil facilities, ports, and cities like Dubai flattened. All while Hezbollah is lobbing missiles into Israel, Iraqis are hunting American soldiers, and more...When Iran is threatening 'all out war' in case of any attack against it, it is threatening something of this sort. Not the Nintendo game that Trump's base want. And since this is the picture Trump's military advisers have painted for him, even though Trump was in the beginning in front of the line of those who liked to beat their chest and threaten Iran, he is now a bit more circumspect.

 

Say the US destroys an Iranian missile base, define this war you speak of. An air strike is not a war.

 

If they were flying low, they couldn't have gotten thru the Asir mountains or security on the Yemen border.

 

That really is not what I hear from people (so called experts) on my tv and what I have read. I am not saying it is because he is against war, simply that he wants elected again and the other thing which everyone with knowledge of the situation say is that a war with Iran is going to cost American lives big time and go on for a long time and for that reason would not go well for Trump being re-elected. I think the idea of Trump being for war at this time goes with the idea it will be as easy as Iraq which I do not think is the case. If he is re-elected he will probably give it the thumbs up.

 

Not when the US knows, or has has reason to believe, that the 'rules of engagement' for Iran's forces is that if Iran is attacked, that they launch an all out war.

 

Watch the Houthis briefing and you will know how they got there.

 

There was nothing easy about Iraq.

 

Well, let's test them.

 

You may change your mind about the first if you try the second.

 

That is why its a game of chicken -- about who will blink? The issue in this game of chicken for any American leader ultimately is: why should I take such a risk in what would be a 'war of choice'? For Iran, on the other hand, this won't be a war of choice. We would have no choice in the matter, since if we blink, we will have to blink and then blink until we lose everything.

 

Maybe, maybe not.

 

Of course they have a choice. They could choose to stop their games before someone gets hurt.