Another MASS SHOOTING tonight this time in Washington D.C.

It’s one of the points of having to be tried by a jury of your peers. In essence a jury can find a defendant not guilty of a crime, not because the defendant didn’t commit the act, but because the juror/jurors believe the law to be unjust.

 

Personally, I think it's a better system than ours but I guess it depends in what town and what the circumstances are. First of all we only have a judge (or more than one judge) who sits on the high almighty. You don't get to say much more than "yes" or "no". Everyone has the right to counselling but it doesn't mean that your lawyer is going to defend you an f*ing squat.

Once the judge is finished asking questions and you replied with "yes's or no's" then they wake up your lawyer and everyone goes home. After days or weeks all you get is a letter from the courts stating that they find you guilty or innocent of the charge. You have the right to appeal so you have to telephone your excuse for a lawyer and tell him you've decided to contest the charge. After weeks or months, you go back to the court where no one says a word but just listens to the recording from your first day in court. At the end, the judge asks your excuse for a lawyer if he has all of his paperwork in order so that he can get paid for his nap. Weeks or months later you get another letter from the courts stating whether or not they have changed their mind about the charges against you. You can appeal that one too but it isn't much different than the last time.

I should mention that if you are a white male then you've no better than a snowball's chance in the Devils oven of winning in court ...... unless it's against another white male, in which case the judge is on his own without any guidelines to determine who's right and who's wrong so he just flips a coin.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

Not anymore.

 

Thanks for taking the time to share that information. I have to admit I’d be pretty leery of such a system. To be intellectually honest though I have to ask if “fear” of such a system would be a deterrent to crime? I guess that depends on your sentencing and penalties.

I think our system has drawbacks too though. Mainly our penalties are neither deterrents or rehabilitations. More like paid vacation time from the crime profession.

Clearly our system is set up to protect the innocent at the expense of letting some guilty go. I suppose it’s back to the old cliche of individual freedom having precedence over safety.

I think this subject is a good one to discuss in relation to gun crime especially. I’d like to hear more of your opinions.

Oh, the judgements based on race/sex is interesting. Is that a relatively new phenomenon or always been that way?

 

I find it a difficult and illogical stretch to suggest that if Person A violates one law, passing another law will persuade him to become law-abiding. Human natures just doesn't work that way.

 

No it wasn't incompetence it was policy. And I'm not talking about the FBI. I'm talking about an Obama era policy that was supposed to end what it called the school to jail pipeline in Florida and while it did end that problem it did so not by reforming the kids that did bad things, but by engaging in an egregious game of myopic let's pretend in which by fiat decree they would no longer admit that there were kids who did bad things. Hence by waving the government's magic wand there was no longer anything to record.

 

I can probably answer all of your questions simply by answering the last one about the race/sex phenomenon. I think the problem (this one) started about 20 years ago although its' beginnings go to back 30 years to when Olalf Palme was murdered. He never would have tolerated this.

I suppose that you live in the U.S. so you have a head start on us about "racism". Or should I say "reverse" racism where you cannot disagree with a non-white or you will be called racist. So in that sense, both of us experience the same madness. The thing is that we have been taking in immigrants for a very, very long time without problems. Yugoslavs, Poles, Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranians, South Americans, etc. No problem. They all wanted to fit in, get a job, learn our language, and obey our laws. But now we have people from 3 different places who share one thing in particular. No, I am not going to say what it is because you know already. But we are so afraid of being called racist that we have turned our country over to the most despicable people on the planet because if we don't give them what they want they'll be shouting "racists!"

But one more note on our different judicial systems. In the U.S. you can claim "guilty with an explanation". There's no such thing here. If you did it you are guilty. There is no explanation such as jealousy, anger, your wife just left you and your house burned down and your car was stolen. No excuses.

 

Ima go out on a limb and guess the weapon was not what people like to call an 'assault weapon'; the shooter was not lawfully allowed to own it; the weapon was not lawfully obtained; and the victims were not white or armed.

I base this on two facts: this is true of the majority of shootings in the US, and I've not heard about this shooting anywhere but this thread.

Have I guessed wrong?

 

Yes I’m in the US. A part of the country where the violence were discussing is nearly as foreign as where you are. It’s all demographics in the end.

Our reverse racism problem probably did start earlier than yours. I got to experience it in college.

Interesting. What about hate crime then? Is that a thing in your country? It’s going to be what brings this country down in my opinion.

 

We don't have racist crimes against non-whites. We had almost no crime at all until "those people" came. The only hate crimes are perpetrated by non-whites and so we cannot call it "hate crime". We have a crazy idea that racism is something that only white people do. So the answer to your question is ... we have no hate-crimes because we don't do it and " they" cannot commit hate crimes because they are not white. Go figure.

 

Didn't the gun ban protect them?

 

Ok that makes sense. Well, no it doesn’t, but I understand what your saying. Its actually bizarre but seems to be the way of the world now.

 

No one cares about Australia. Its probably some gangbangers

 

I am afraid that you are right.

 

The part that says rights can be forfeited through due process.

 

All constitutional rights are bound to due process. Which is part of the 5th amendment. There are very few rights which can not be stripped from a person through due process.

 

Not watching the TV, eh?

 

This is not a mass shooting , just a regular shooting per MSN, the NY post and Washington times.
Not many details out there after 20 hours, definitely not breaking news on CNN.

 

Do send a link where your PM has been targeted in DC

 

That's true for mass shooters. Not for gang members.

I see you understand why "universal background checks" isn't an answer though. They can't even do the background checks right now.

The left: The government is incompetent, let's give them more power.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...-shot-on-streets-of-washington-dc-local-media

Whomp whomp no one cares about Australia

 

That would make us Mexico.

 

Your definition of mass shooting is "breaking news on CNN"?

Don't post nonsense. Get informed!

One dead, five injured. A mass shooting! What it isn't is news. Mass shootings with Assault weapons are ever day occurrences now

 

Statistics show that a number of guns sold by private owners, and at gun shows in states which don't require background checks for those sells end up on the black market.

It's very common for black market deals to go to states like Indiana which do not require background checks, waiting periods. Some of the smaller gun shows in Indiana do not even check ID when you go in, and Indiana has no limit on how many guns you can buy. it's very easy for a black market dealer to walk into a gun show, and buy rifles handguns, shotguns, etc, and then sell them to criminals.

There is no federal law to stop it, since federal law only applies to sales made by license firearms dealers as part of their business. .

 

Our restrictions on the sale of guns throughout the country are for the most part just the cash to pay for the purchase.In most locations there are more restrictions on buying tobacco products.