School cancels football game days after cheerleaders are punished for pro-Trump banner

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Fine but these kids in the latest liberal protest got absolutely no repercussion. Schools just looked the other way.
    I still don't believe high schools today are not fenced and gated though. Especially with all these school shootings of late so that doesn't wash.
     
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    That's a pretty sweeping statement for which you have no evidence.

    My kids' high school is neither fenced nor gated. The doors are locked from the inside, and you have to be buzzed in if you arrive late. But that's it. The person buzzing you in is a very nice middle-aged lady who checks your student ID.

    Maybe you should admit that you aren't familiar with how schools operate these days, and should defer to those of us who have kids in school?
     
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    I have been honest. You can do whatever research you want to see if all those who went to protests had permission from their parents. I'm not going to do that. You're pushing the narrative that schools are liberal mind control operations that selectively allow or disallow students to attend protests. Even thought that's total bull, you have the right to see things as you please. I know quite well what schools in this state can and can't do, and I can tell you that they can't take a political position.
     
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    Interesting about doors to classroom locked from inside and have to be buzzed open. Apparently teachers did so to allow kids to leave for this leftist demonstration. Kind of my point throughout the thread.
     
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    I've read multiple articles on this and not one has mentioned anything about all these kids having written parent permission to leave school and attend the demonstration. Yes you have run out of legitimate arguments and have now fallen back on the absurd. To me that's just trolling so you can keep posting and not admit defeat so I'll move on. Have a nice day.
     
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    Cite it.
     
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    It is. It shouldn't be, but thanks to the right and their enthrallment to big oil, it has become political.

    This is an issue we should all be concerned about and working to reverse or at least stall, and yet against all logic and reason, we don't. That is directly due to the enormous amounts of money big oil pours onto it, making the preservation of our own species a matter of political will. That sickens me at the same time as it baffles me. Whose money will the fat cats at the top of fossil fuels spend when we're all, or mostly, dead? And what will they spend it on? Who wants to be the richest man on a planet in its death throes? Does that make sense to you?
     
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    Um... locked from the inside means you can LEAVE any time you want. You have to be buzzed in if you arrive late, but it's not like the school locks kids out. They get marked arriving late and sent on to their next class.

    Seriously, you don't seem to understand how schools work these days, and you keep trying to make everything fit your pre-conceived notions -- even stuff that directly contradicts your pre-conceived notions.
     
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    I take it you're in Minnesota? Do your kids go to public school? I haven't checked that state's policy, but it's likely that there is a clause that gives local districts the authority to decide what's a excusable absence and what's not. However, the only thing a school can do is mark the absence a legal or illegal absence. The school can't refuse to allow students to attend outside events as long as parents approve of the absence.
     
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    So you too admit it was a political rally. Thank you
     
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    So any kid can walk up to the door and Buzz it open? That seems unlikely when this is about safety in school shootings. Shooters often work in teams and having an accomplice inside to buzz the door open would incapacitate this security measure. Pretty sure you are making this up and the teacher controls the door. Either that or school security is a joke.
     
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    Yes and yes.

    Yep. Our high school is technically a closed campus, but if you skip out for a period, they can't physically prevent you from leaving; they just give you another unexcused absence.

    Correct. Of course, if you rack up enough unexcused absences then truancy laws can kick in, and the school/district/state can take more serious steps.
     
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    It's past time. It was impeachment time when the Mueller report came out. But congressional Democrats waiting for bipartisan support are sublimating the rule of law and their constitutional duty for the sake of political expediency. Pelosi is behaving like a fool, which is why Trump no longer fears her ... when was the last time he lashed out at Pelosi? Think about it: within weeks of the report going public, with virtually nothing but talk, talk, talk coming from congress.

    Yes, I "got him," as does anyone willing to pay any attention, but those in power care more about keeping their jobs than doing their jobs. He violates the constitution daily, and all congress does is yak and puff out their chests in righteous indignation.

    :blahblah:
     
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    :roflol:

    Thanks, I needed that.

    However, when a woman gets to be my age, they are necessary in order to avoid frightening small children when out in public.

    :icon_jawdrop:
     
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    They didn't limit their concerns to the cheerleaders.
    Leftists are going to shoot cheerleaders? School officials are--or should be--concerned their school kids for and against Trump will get into a general donnybrook. My questions to you back in #64 were

    "The school district is forfeiting the game because they say they're concerned about student safety. Do you think the district is lying and there's another reason they're forfeiting? What should the district do if they think student safety may be at risk?"

    and whether or not the alleged threat of general mayhem was real or the school officials had another agenda.

    This all began when the cheerleaders were given the boot as cheerleaders for displaying a Trump banner. Are you suggesting students should be allowed to take political banners to football games? I'll tell you one thing--if you let that happen, it will look like high school students hate Trump with a passion almost overnight.
     
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    Well, any kid (or adult) can walk up to the outside door and ring the bell, asking to be let in. The nice middle-aged lady decides who to buzz in. You are then in a vestibule. She checks your ID or reason for being there, then buzzes you through a second door into the school proper.

    Do you imagine all schools are fortresses? They're not. Schools take reasonable precautions. For some schools, that might mean armed guards and metal detectors. For our school, it doesn't.

    Um, no they don't. Most school shootings are lone gunmen.

    The middle-aged lady controls the button that opens the door; it's not accessible to students.

    But any student could push a door open from the inside. The front doors are in the line of sight of the middle-aged lady, so there's that. All the other doors are alarmed. But there's no way to completely secure a public building.

    I am not making anything up, and I have said all along that the middle-aged lady decides whether to buzz people in.

    Again, you seem to be trying really hard to make everything fit your pre-conceived notions. Maybe you should stop doing that.
     
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    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

    All of my sources are listed on mediabiasfactcheck, and all have one descriptive line in common: "Factual Reporting: HIGH"

    Without exception. Look up your favorite sources, I dare you.
     
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    You seem to be trying really hard to avoid the fact that schools let kids leave to attend a liberal protest and the kids received no infraction for their unexcused ditching school.
     
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    Ok, I wasn't very clear about that. You got me. The schools do not have the right to stop anyone from attending an outside event as long as parents allow it. What the policy says is that for educational or religious purposes, the schools must allow students to go. It can easily be argued that a protest is educational. But all that relates to whether the absence is marked as excused or unexcused (although they use legal and illegal as the terminology). Students are required by law to attend a certain number of days per year, or they will not receive credit for the courses. Parents can be charged with a misdemeanor if their child misses more that the allowed limit. There is nothing in the law that says a student can't attend an event like those protests.
     
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    Thanks. I have three grandkids in Minneapolis. The middle one just started school there. I hope they do as well as yours.
     
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    LOL
     
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    Kids can leave school to attend any sort of event -- liberal or conservative -- and the penalty is an unexcused absence. There's no political bias at work.
     
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    media bias fact check itself is not a reliable source
     
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    So any kid can walk out of any class and any school at any time with anybody that happens to be out front waiting for them in any car to take them anywhere and do anything. Sorry but I just don't believe you.
     
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    Minneapolis is the big city, so they have a wider range of school outcomes (we live in a close-in western suburb, where my wife grew up). But as with most things, input equals output. Involved parents who value education? Your grandkids will do fine. Uninvolved parents or other issues? More barriers to overcome.

    My kids went to our district's largest and most diverse elementary school. It also had the lowest overall ranking. But that wasn't because the teachers were bad, or there weren't resources; it was because of the high percentage of poor and ESL kids, which (unfortunately) dragged the test scores down. If you were just a normal middle-class kid, the education you got was the same as you would have gotten at any of the other schools. And the life lessons from attending a school where no race was a majority and a significant fraction of students were from refugee families were priceless.
     

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