End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

So, how long do you believe that affirmative action should be allowed to go on?

Who decides when it should cease?

And do you truly believe that it should eventually cease? Or do you believe, instead, that whites--and especially white men--should be punished ad infinitum for the sins of previous generations?

 

You have changed the question here--presumably, to one that is more to your liking.

I really do not know just what these numbers are supposed to represent.

But if one person is actually--in reality (and not merely in theory)--slightly better qualified, is there some reason why the slightly less qualified person should jump ahead of him (or her, as the case may be)?

Do we wish to do some sort of national penance, covering ourselves (if only metaphorically) in sackcloth and ashes, just because of the color of our skin?

And here I thought that Martin Luther King once said that we should judge others exclusively by "the content of their character"--not by "the color of their skin."

 

It is not merely what I "call it." It is, in fact, collective guilt that you are endorsing (even if you would rather not label it as such).

 

Hey, Renee, if you support blantant unfairness, preferential treatment of one race over another, and total disregard for equality under the law, then how can I ever convince you of anything...? I can't.

So -- be happy in your very comforable RACISM. There's really nothing else to say....

 

It didn’t work for women for hundreds of years, didn’t work for blacks for hundreds of years. When you define people as inferior they are seen as that in the message is internalized within them and within society

 

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what "Black Studies" is supposed to be for. Most accredited colleges and universities have had degree plans that encompass the various fields of anthropology and archeology for well over 100 years....

. "Hey, it's, ya know, easier than majoring in sumthing like Electrical Engineering and stuff...."

 

What bothered me way back when I was a Liberal,
Black Students given Educational Opportunities Program, Affirmative Action
were not required to take "real majors" as would lead to a mainstreaming life.
But, were usually "Black Studies" majors - - like that Bachelors Degree and
a good Civil Service test score will get you a job at the Post Office.
Well not that Good-a-Score, because they would get Black oriented Affirmative Action bonus points.
I would not deny Black students a Black studies major as a second major or a minor, but to blow off their placement with only a
Black Studies major seemed a violation of the reason.



BTW @Renee - at that time I got a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation and created "Education Motivation" with 4 groups of Biology major students aimed at 4 local minority predominant high schools and kids volunteered to attend one evening a week where we offered interesting experiences in Science and preached you must take Algebra in the 9th Grade and all those Science classes early in High School to be a Science major if granted an Affirmative Action University admission.



Moi
Recovered Liberal,
if any liberal can ever be truly termed, "recovered".

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Excellent post, and thank you for reminding all of us that on top of all the other reverse-discrimination crap, there has also been a "boost" given to minorities who apply for many government jobs -- purely because they ARE minorities!

Afterthought -- I wonder why no college or university has a degree plan for "White Studies", per se...? I guess those academic areas would be covered by disciplines that deal with nearly everything else in the past 2,000 years, with the exception significant inventions/innovations that came from both China and India....

But, Sub-Saharan Africa...? Uh, no, except for perfecting the practice SLAVERY, which was then exported throughout the Middle East, Europe, and the Western Hemisphere....

 

Well they are the most Neanderthal genome deficient population.


Maybe the best of "humanity" comes from a bit of
Neanderthal genome.

 

Interesting... and yet bleeding-edge research by today's geneticists shows that the most intelligence exhibited by any race of humans is not White (Caucausoid), but rather, the East-Asian (Oriental) people.


. "Aw, shucks...."

 

Their Neanderthal percentages are the same as White Folks
but different segments. Not The Same.

 

I have worked with hard working black students for years and like any other group most worked their asses off.....but could never afford or dream of going to college. What was wrong with that Rockefeller grant?
If you still feel empathy for people then you’re not recovered

 

Free tuition for ALL STEM degrees would solve this without resorting to sanctioned sexism or racism.

 

Why only STEM?

 

Give me examples of degree's you think should be funded by your taxpayer money? STEM degrees can be directly applied to industry whether it be healthcare, manufacturing, etc. Everything else on a case by case basis but people shouldn't be going to school on the public's dime if their degree is not going to be useful in actually finding a job and contributing to the economy. I'd include teaching degrees in this. Also, you can always double major. Plus most non stem majors can be done online these days. Public education is there for a reason, it's to give people equal opportunity in finding a way to make a living (meaning actual work).

There has to be a limit otherwise everyone is going to go to college, a lot of them getting useless degrees and wasting everyone's money. Publicly funding education for everyone provides equal opportunity for everyone regardless of race.

 

Who are you to define what degrees are important?
Education for everyone doesn’t include people who aren’t qualified. Years ago in New York City the colleges were free but you had to have a high average. Boys needed an 88 average and girls needed a 91. (white boy affirmative action) we still need qualifications!

 

First of all I never stated which degrees are important. You said that not me. I was even willing to go on a case by case basis. What I did make a statement about is which degrees should be funded on the public dime (meaning by taxpayers)?

Why should you be going to college if you aren't qualified? High school system needs to be fixed too, not saying otherwise. And why did you give an anecdote about how it was years ago? Yes, there have to be standards for getting in. There are now, and they are equal under the law.

And we have to have limits on what's free. I gave a reasonable limit with real reasons and haven't received an actual reasoned response back answering anything I brought up. Besides getting in a weird jab implying I can't have an opinion about this. Seems to be a common thing among some on the left. I'll wait.

 

Nonsense. It takes ONE generation, because all it requires is the determination to not let history stand in your way. Why do you think Asians do so well? I guarantee it's not by remaining psychologically enslaved to past insult, or stopped by current obstacles.

 

The playing field IS level. It's been level for a while now.

 

True statement. It's going to last as long as racist and sexist laws are still in place like AA, even more reason to get rid of them. We are still enslaving ourselves to the faults of previous generations. Will never get past it as long as that's the case.

Martin Luther King, Jr. Quotes. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

 

Why would you even think it's okay to fund 'luxury' courses which will won't lead to solid employment? Do you not get that in so doing, you deprive the lower classes of access to degrees which will provide a pathway out of poverty? You cannot possibly be okay with that, if you claim to be a Leftist.

 

Crap, sorry. Talk to mainland Chinese who have recent familial memory of being treated like animals. You should be able to find some easily enough, they probably own your building.

 

Because it leads to more full time employment, and more secure employment (a pretty darned important thing for kids trying to escape poverty, dontcha think?) .

STEM also works towards what will be, and not what is or was. Technology is the future. Adapt, or work at Starbucks.

 

The sooner that happens, the better. I would also propose increasing the cost of Arts degrees (paid up front, in full, failure to complete forfeits all monies paid) to fund it. If you're rich enough to never need to work for a living - a state confirmed by your choice of Art History/Sociology/Ethnomusicology - you can afford it.

 

And that's where the buck stops, literally and figuratively.