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Text messages link Ukraine investigation and Trump meeting

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Egoboy, Oct 4, 2019.

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    You keep saying that he left in tears, but have yet to remotely come close to explaining why.
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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  2. Brit

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    It is perfectly possible that that reply was motivated by an attempt by Sondland to cover his tracks because the whistleblower's existence was going to be made public that day, or just because seeing the text from Taylor made him realise "Oh god, this stuff is in writing now." By the way, it's a little impolite to call the acting US ambassador to Kiev a nobody. And what's with all the claims of intellectual dishonesty? There are always different ways of looking at things, and anyone who is unable to consider a different viewpoint is unlikely to have a very balanced view.
     
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    Wait...are you trying to argue that a white house visit is not something that Ukraine wanted?
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    Trump requesting a foreign government investigate a domestic political opponent while he simultaneously and unilaterally held up hundreds of millions in military aid and promised to refrain from publicly discussing politically damaging matters and then trying to hide, lie about, and obstruct the investigation into the complaint is an abuse of power.

    Abuse of power is an impeachable offense. And he will be impeached.

    But thanks for wishing America good luck!
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    Whether or not the Biden thing is illegal, it stinks; I'm all for investigating it. As for the 2016 election, if Trump had pursued it because of US election security, I'd have been fine with it. But since he mentions Hillary's server and the Bidens, it makes it appear he wanted to gain political advantage from it, which is a very different thing.
     
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    Did Trump discuss Biden in the phone call with Ukraine?
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    Neither of those analogies are valid examples of a quid pro quo.
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    ...the top Ukrainian diplomat, the one appointed by Trump, is a confused nobody?
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    Well, I guess it's an unavoidable point that the impeachment process is more public than a law-enforment investigation. But I'd accept a degree of unfairness from a left-leaning media, yes.
     
    Brit, Oct 4, 2019
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    The ones not actively trying to hide evidence of corruption from a potential investigation.
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    ...you think "look into" somehow does not mean "investigate?"
     
    MrTLegal, Oct 4, 2019
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    The point is Trump appears to be doing it for political gain - he references Hillary's server, the Mueller report and the Bidens. If he was mainly concerned about election integrity then why didn't he talk about that?
     
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    Borat, Oct 4, 2019
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    Brit, Oct 4, 2019
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    Well and everyone
     
    struth, Oct 4, 2019
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    Not Joe Biden specifically, but what he was bragging about. Corruption was a major issue with the prior admin in Ukraine
     
    struth, Oct 4, 2019
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    The 3 specific things Trump referenced in that bit of the call were Hillary's server, the Mueller report and the Bidens. Does it sound like he was concerned with general corruption in the Ukraine?
     
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    Brit, Oct 4, 2019
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    Yes....specifcally the allegations of Ukraine interferring in the 2016 election
     
    struth, Oct 4, 2019
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    You mean the 2016 interference by democrats.
     
    Hoosier8, Oct 4, 2019
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    Why would he be? Why aren’t you interested in democrats corruption here?
     
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    I was answering a point about general corruption in Ukraine; but rereading it I realise the poster hadn't said Trump was talking about general corruption.
     
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    Sorry, read your post too quick - I thought you meant Trump was advocating against general corruption in the prior admin
     
    Brit, Oct 4, 2019
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    Is that the new line? Sure it was a QPQ, but it’s justified!!
     
    The Mello Guy, Oct 4, 2019
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  24. Brit

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    Of course I'm interested in democrat corruption. Why do you assume everyone is partisan?
     
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  25. Egoboy

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    Absolutely... If I break into your house and hold a gun to your wife's head until you produce evidence you broke the law in the past.... and then you do, seems what I did is considered perfectly fine...

    That is a truly ****ed up way to view the world... Extortion, Coercion - pick your description..
     
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