Do Americans Support Impeaching President Trump?

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Good! Impeach those crooked Democrats and through them in jail.
     
  2. MrTLegal

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    Are you smarter than Trump?
     
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    I think the polarization of this country began in the 1990's and has gotten worst as time moved on. It may be the result of instead of campaigns about ideas, possible solutions to problems, a vision of where a candidate wants to take America, they have delved into name calling, personal negative attacks, mud slinging, true or false and much more. The strategy for our campaigns have now become a divide and conquer campaign. Pitting one group of voters against another all with the idea of getting the voter to hate the other guy more than they hate you.

    The impeachment of Bill Clinton was ridiculous. A congressional censure would have sufficed nicely. Impeaching Trump may be on more solid ground or it might not. The one thing that bothers me is since the Democrats set about trying to destroy Trump since the day after the election, it looks to quite a lot of folks this is a partisan political vendetta for losing an election.

    This is a step much higher than the GOP stating they intended to make Obama a one term president. The Republicans never tried to impeach Obama and recognized the election results of both 2008 and 2012. This is something the Democrats couldn't do or were unwilling to do in 2016.

    We've already had lots of people in the streets protesting Trump's election. I can't remember that ever happening before. We have in the past accepted the election results. Sure there was the law suit over the 2000 election, but once the SCOTUS ruled, it was over. Partisanship and loyalty to party seems to have replaced loyalty to country in quite a lot of people's minds and actions.

    It has been said that 200 years is the average age of a democracy before it falls. We've passed that. You could very well be correct.
     
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    Biden was the VP of the USA.
     
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    I understand Mueller is available.
     
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    Do Americans Support Impeaching President Trump?
    I can't speak for most Americans, but I can speak for myself. I support impeachment for Trump & several of his closest sycophants, like Burr & Pompeo, for example.
     
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    Your hero John Kasich said that nobody in the heartland of Ohio is talking about impeachment.
     
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    I have always, & will probably continue, supporting the idea that every person has the right to have a say in the government under which they live, but I have been shocked by the general ignorance motivating those who elected Trump, whose personality seems the least congruent with the office of any President in history. I watch as Trump gradually disembowels various departments, or misuses them for personal advancement in ways that they were never intended, & in many ways that are clearly illegal. Trump swore to uphold a Constitution with which he's completely unfamiliar, & cares for even less. He thinks & acts like an autocrat, & is altering our hallowed governmental institutions to serve him as President rather than the system designed within that Constitution. I am concerned for the abuse & dark changes within his power between now & January 21, 2021. I am beyond concern if he's re-elected.
     
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    Us on the right felt the exact same way with Obama.
     
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    But Obama never abused the Constitution or the institutions of government. He worked around a hostile Congress as best he could, staying within the law (remember he was a Constitutional Law Professor, & knew a lot about the Constitution). I know of no time Obama crossed the line legally, or abused his power. Trump on the other hand, knows nothing about the Constitution he swore to protect & follow, & cares even less. Trump abuses his Presidential powers on a daily basis--repeatedly. There is no comparison.
     
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    Yes he was, and if he has committed an offence in Ukraine, that is for Ukraine to determine, not Biden's US domestic political opponents. That is the point. Trump leveraged aid to Ukraine to get them to inverstigate what is none of US business other than to potentially advantage Trump in the coming election.
     
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    What a bunch of BS!

    The things you are accusing Trump of Obama did.

    Stop rewriting history.
     
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    It's what they do..

    The Madness of Progressive Projection

    The only Trump “crime” was in his winning an election he was not supposed to win. So after the election, prior illegal acts were redefined as legal, and legal ones as illegal.

    https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/06/the-madness-of-progressive-projection/
     
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    Why are using a quote from nearly two weeks ago? It is a **** talking point.
     
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    Read the transcript of the conversation. Trump never mentioned the aid money. Just because tiu think he leveraged with money doesn't make it so.



    Joe admits he leveraged U.S. Aid money to get rid of a prosecutor investigating a company paying Biden's son $50,000 a MONTH
     
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    Fast & Furious.
     
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    Read the text messages between Trump's Ukrainian diplomats.

     
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    Why not post the entire exchange?

     
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    Give examples.
     
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    Because I did not feel the need to see someone else quote Donald Trump's lies. And let us be clear, when Donald Trump says "there is no quid pro quo of any kind," he is lying.
     
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    Crystal Ball or Ouija Board?
     
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    Here's the update to the polling:

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    As you can see, support for Trump's impeachment has continued to increase and it has increased across all three politically aligned groups. From the day that news of the Ukraine Scandal started to pick up steam, support for impeachment has increased by 9% amongst Democrats, 10.5% amongst Independents, and 6.5% amongst Republicans. Note: That is a significant acceleration of support amongst independents and Republicans, when compared to when this thread was first created. When compared to the first day that this thread was created, support for impeachment has increased by 1.3% amongst Democrats, 2.7% amongst Independents, and 3.7% (!) amongst Republicans.

    And keep in mind that there are some polls which find that support for the inquiry is dramatically higher, with 30% of Republicans supporting the inquiry.

    I think the real tipping point will come once 50% of Independents are found to be in favor of Impeachment.
     
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    Neither. Read the transcript released by the White House for the phone call. It's all there.
     
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    Fake news.
     
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    That is wrong.
     

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