Do Americans Support Impeaching President Trump?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Rather than mindless, knee-jerk denials, why not just post your polls whose results are compatible with your agenda?
     
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    Why don't do post the methodology used for this poll like the break down of the party affiliation?
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Rather than mindless, knee-jerk denials, why not just post your polls whose results are compatible with your agenda?

    Please provide links to a few of your favorites. Just share a few. [​IMG]
     
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    So, you can't provide the methodology used like party breakdown for this poll? Just as I thought.

    Like I said before, this is a fake poll without that information.
     
  5. MrTLegal

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    @Statistikhengst is here to help you Molon.

     
  6. MrTLegal

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    That doesn't show the party affiliation of the people polled.

    Please provide the party affiliation of the people polled for this poll.
     
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    That doesn't show the party affiliation of the people polled.
     
  9. MrTLegal

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    Oh, I see. You really didn't want to find the information yourself? Fine, here you go.

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    Here is where being smart pays off. This whole thing regarding impeachment is just a joke with the dems. All they're doing is talking out of their as*. The WHOLE HOR has to vote on a impeachment investigation. These communities, they can't just digging around and looking for something for the purpose of an impeachment or to bring that info to the floor for a impeachment vote. It all has to come from the WHOLE HOR. They also really don't want impeachment on the table. Because that gives Trump and the republican special privileges that are not otherwise available. And in doing so that would put 50million watt spot light on the dems. And that isn't what they want.
     
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    Where's the link to this information?
     
  12. MrTLegal

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    No, they do not.

    Neither the US Constitution nor the House Rules dictate what must occur before the House votes on the Articles of Impeachment. If the first time that the full House votes on anything related to the Impeachment is when they vote on the Articles of Impeachment, then the Articles are still valid and will be sent to the Senate (assuming that the vote reaches a simple majority).

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/must-house-vote-authorize-impeachment-inquiry

    Similarly, your other bolded statement is inaccurate as well. The only way that the minority party gets any special privileges during an impeachment proceeding is if those special privileges, like issuing subpoenas, are explicitly provided by the majority party. Voting on an impeachment inquiry would not automatically include those rights.

    Now, to be fair, those special privileges were provided in the Nixon and the Clinton impeachment proceedings and Republicans will absolutely use the precedent argument as justification for their demand to be given those rights again this time. But that is not a requirement.

    Also, it is interesting to note that on the same day that the White House was demanding that Democrats in the House must abide by Impeachment Precedent, they were simultaneously arguing before a federal judge that the federal judge should ignore Impeachment Precedent.
     
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    Can you document the house rules that dictate that only one party of a committee can call witnesses in any hearing? Good luck finding that in your blogs.
     
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    Democrats: 48%
    Republicans: 40%
    Independents: 12%

    48% are Democrats?!?!? Really?!?!?!?

    What a fake poll!!
     
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    You realize that the Fox News poll is almost exactly in line with every other poll out there, right?

    Your problem is that you, and Trump, do not like the fact that there are simply more Democrats than Republicans in the United States of America.
     
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    No one every claimed that there is a rule which says that only one party of a committee can call witnesses in any hearing. So I don't know why I would need to find any support for that notion.

    I suspect that the majority party does have the ability to block a minority party's request for a specific witness to be called because that is simply the way that the House rules tend to operate - majority wins.
     
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    You don't see a problem with a whopping 48% of the people polled being Democrats and only 40% being Republican?

    48% claim they are Democrats? WTF?
     
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    I believe that polls are supposed to try and get a representative sample. If more people identify as Democrat then they would logically have a higher representation in any poll. If they didn't then that would invalidate the poll.
     
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    But this poll is not representative of how these groups vote. This was the party breakdown in the 2016 election...

    Democrat: 37%
    Republican: 33%
    Independent: 31%

    https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2016
     
  22. Statistikhengst

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    Incapable of finding the data yourself? Hmmmm.... well, ok, here it is:

    https://de.scribd.com/document/4295...esults-October-6-8-2019#fullscreen&from_embed

    (p. 15 of 34)

    2019-10-010 FOX NEWS POLL partisan self-identification.png

    In the FOX polling in 2018, it also showed D +8. The Ds won the House of Representatives by +8.58% and won the popular vote in the Senatorial races by +14.27%.

    Remember, this is voluntary partisan SELF-identification in polling and over and over, we are seeing between D +8 and D +11 in polling for 2020.

    You are welcome.
     
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    That's not how people voted in 2016 and it is not how people will vote in 2020.
     
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    Well, that's interesting, for you see, in spite of the Ds winning the House by +8.58% (exact statistic, verified, already linked) and winning the popular vote in the Senate races by +14.27% (exact statistic, verified, already linked), this should really, really, REALLY worry you, for you see, in 2018, the exit polling showed a similar spread to what you claimed for 2016:

    2019-10-010 2018 exit poll.png

    Yet, in spite of, according to exit polling in 2018, a D +4, the Ds quite literally cleaned House in 2018.

    This means that the point that you are making, namely, attacking the VOLUNTARY partisan spread in an accredited poll, is a non-sequitor to begin with.

    Better luck to you next time, nööööö.
     
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    Who are you trying to convince?
     
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