Electric-Car Owners Hard Hit by Massive California Power Shutdown

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  1. Nonnie

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    One problem is, plugging an EV in to charge off solar panels overnight is not gonna work well, especially if you work days. But I suppose everyone knows that.
     
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    Why? Because you're not paying me to answer some random question. That's why.
     
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    that's how crappy cars are sold the people.
    Wow compared to my vehicle that would have thrown that out twice already. I've replaced the battery once in my vehicle. Sounds like a downgrade to me
     
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    Are you claiming that an electricity company is so far less efficient than some gimp owning some random car that might give a oil change every ones in a while? lol
     
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    Do you live off grid?

    The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.

    https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fa...-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs
     
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    Explain what that nonsense is supposed to mean.

    EV batteries do not generate power that is why they must be charged, do you get it now?
     
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    I do not live off the grid and none of those subsides are available to me as I am not in the business of being a electric utility.

    Maybe get an idea of what your are referring to before posting anymore irrelevant information.
     
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    You have replaced parts that an electric cars doesn't even have in that time.
     
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    Those subsidies filter thru to the end user. Your bill would go up without them. So you should use them in your comparison.

    So there is nothing keeping you from claiming your subsidies for solar?
     
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    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) & :D too


    It is a
    "Schadenfreude, Why Not!" moment.



    Moi :oldman:




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    What Me Worry?



     
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    As far as I see you're claiming that a car on fossil fuel is far more efficient in generating power, than an electric car through a plug in the wall, coming from a some generator somewhere. A car on fossil fuel is a massively inefficient machine. All that heat if generates.... that heat is a 100% loss. And that heat is massively there, not to mention the friction of all of them gears from a DYO maintenance car.
     
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    You clearly have no idea how they work.
     
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    And power plants that generate and the transmission and distribution networks of electrical power have no inefficiencies?

    You seem to have no clue about T&D.
     
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    https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3
     
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    Electricity isn't generated by batteries. It's generated by a power plant.
    enviro Nazi blogs art legitimate sources



    I don't want to buy someone else's used play thing. It's not cheaper.



    you can choke it out there.


    I can't think of the last car that I did any internal engine work on. I pulled the head on an old pickup truck a few years ago but it had four hundred thousand miles on it.

    I'm willing to bet you would have gone through two or three electric cars by then.

    So I don't really care if there's more moving parts they don't break down as often. And in my expert opinion they don't.

    I worked as a mechanic for about 15 years and I've never heard of a brake bearing.

    it will have wheel bearings because that's a movie part it will have axle bearings because those are moving parts it will have bearings in the motors and if it doesn't have that then it said excellent reason not to buy one.




    Oh I could probably afford one of the trash buckets that they've made four years but if I want a better use of my money I could always burn it to stay warm.
     
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    What can an air filter or an oil filter. Dear God over 15 years that might cost me $160 over 15 years vs3 $5,000 batteries assuming of course if the car lasts that long
     
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    Listen and believe what the designers of the algorithm of Siri wants you to.
     
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    While too many people are, I am not that brainwashed. ;-)
     
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    People tend to like things that tell them what they want to hear.
     
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    Let me remind you I sourced that the maintenance of an electric car is cheaper.
     
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    They would do about anything to get that heat turned into electricity. It's their core business to do so. And it's not about... if there is an inefficiency, it's how much.
     
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    I don't look at links so you might have posted a link I'm not linking to it. Most likely doesn't say what you think it should.

    An electric car would have to have much of the same components no one does so it will have much of the same maintenance conventional car does.
     
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    No they do anything to cut costs. I don't really care if it's efficient or not.
     
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    That's swell. It's cheaper until you have to pay for batteries. What does a Model S cost? $90K? You can buy a luxury TRUCK for $60K and have $30K left over to buy gas. That's a free 250,000 miles before you spend the same amount as a Tesla.

    You talked about brake bearings....can we talk about muffler bearings now ?
     
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