Electric-Car Owners Hard Hit by Massive California Power Shutdown

You can also use the truck to make money.

Oh you can really do is say electric sports car is impress the environmentalist babes and flatten off the top of speed bumps on

 

You're not telling me anything new.

Oh, cry me a river while you read post 177

And your car worth 1500 is brand new? lol

I do not care about your alleged personal experiences. I sourced my opinion about maintenance.

I do not care about your alleged personal experiences. I sourced my opinion about maintenance.

 

You really have no clue of what you are talking about, nor do you understand modern power generation.

 

I proved my things, and you're admitting that you're sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich. Yeah,... that is countering my argument. lol

And that's not true. It doesn't have a freaking combustion engine! lol

 

Says you. Who cares.

 

Well I can't buy a Ferrari. I could pass on that truck of yours and buy 2 Fiat 500E.
One for myself and one to rent out.

 

You know nothing about how incredible inefficient a fossil fuel car is. And that is the point.

 

Eventually they will get their "coal powered" cars running again.

 

You could. But when you have to stop every 80 miles to charge it, I can go farther in the same amount of time peddling a bike. My 2014 GMC truck cost the same as the Fiat. It gets about 20 miles/gallon mixed city and 80 mph highway driving. I've changed the oil, changed the air filter once, and changed one light bulb. 126,000 miles. I'm into it for less than $50K to date.... I could throw it in the trash and buy another one and still have less in the 2 than one Tesla.

 

You seem to confuse the efficiency of electric motors with electric cars. The batteries suck and that's been the problem for over 100 years. The first electric car was built in 1891.

 

Can't We Just Be Happy About This?

All those inconvenienced Tesla owners.
Oh the humanity.

And exposes an Achilles heel of electric care dependence.

 

There are solar tax credits Known as the investment tax credit (ITC). State taxes (in some states) can be tax deducted and a number of other rebates and incentives.

https://www.energysage.com/solar/cost-benefit/solar-incentives-and-rebates/

My house is all electric. Because my electric company is State mandated to produce or buy 10%? sustainable energy, wind or electric, I'm already paying for what about $15,000 worth of solar panels on my roof would cost just to light the house. I'd probably need a lot more solar panels than my roof area to run my electric furnace.

 

I think I have a pretty good idea how they work, but you seem unable to articulate your position.

 

well you did say electricity was generated by the batteries. But I understand sometimes I say things like that and didn't mean to imply what I said.

you want me to cry because your source is illegitimate

I never buy new cars.

my opinion is expert opinion based on knowledge and practice. Your opinion is cherry-picked from websites that agree with you.

 

Where do you live?
I'm familiar with the credits. I'm just trying to find out why @Well Bonded can't use them.

 

No you didn't.

that's okay people like you give people like me a lot of money cuz you don't take expert advice. I just hope when you need an expert is that they are as honest as me.

but it has axles that has wheel bearings it has brakes and has gearboxes it has to. do you put water in your internal combustion engines why do you have such bad luck with them? All the cars I have owned I've only had one blown head gasket. Over a million miles driven over all the cars I've owned and one repair needed to any engine.

What the hell are you doing to your cars that makes them so unreliable.

 

The difference between ignorance and stupidity is whether or not someone with less knowledge listens to someone with more.

I know you're going to automatically conclude that I have less knowledge than you because I'm not participating in an echo chamber but you should be really suspicious of people who do that.

 

If your on a budget buy a Model 3.

 

People who own Tesla's have bought into it. They knew what they were getting when they bought an electric car, and if they didn't they probably won't ever owned one again.

 

The air a ICE needs if free too, that doesn't mean there is no cost. And cost to pay for themselves more like 10 to 12 and that is subtracting the federal subsidy which we need to eliminate would take it to 13 to 15. Of that does not included increased insurance cost and the maintenance cost. NOR does that include the cost of any storage which is HUGELY expensive.

https://understandsolar.com/how-long-does-it-take-for-solar-panels-to-pay-off/

So back to OP and the power is cut off and the flames are approaching and you have no charge.

 

There is very little maintenance on modern cars. And oil/filter change every 10,000 miles. Even spark plugs last 100,000. We no longer have points and condensers or tune ups to speak of.

 

I'm on my farm outside the city limits of a small town in Missouri. I have an electric COOP that is very inexpensive compared to what most larger utilities charge. Ameren in the city buys some sustainable power, wind or solar from Nextera (FL&P).

I know I could get a Federal Investment Tax Credit (ITC) for roof solar panels. I don't know if my state has any incentives. The point is, my total roof area about 3,200 sq. ft. if fully covered with solar panels would not be enough to heat the all electric house. I doubt it would be enough to cool it the summer either. The panels wouldn't work well if installed on all the roof surfaces.

I do have a good amount of wind most of the year. I have never priced a wind turbine. Some of my neighbors have installed geo thermal wells. There are no restrictions on outdoor wood burning furnaces here either. They run about $12,000 for a medium size stainless steel model that will heat your hot water. I have plenty of trees and logs but the payback for the labor needed to keep it stoked with logs everyday isn't worth it to me.

 

Where are you going to get this free unlimited storage?

 

You cover a lot and do so well in your post as you said taking it a step further. Let's just get down to a basic economic fact. Plants, manufacturing or power generating or logist or whatever, are built using, loans, bonds and other investments. Bonds and loans have payments to be made, investors expect a return on the capital invested, from the assets of the company. Let's say the solar plant is providing 100% of power using battery storage for nights. It does so for about 3 weeks out of the month and one week the fossil fuel plant has to supply. During those 3 weeks the fossil fuel plant HAS NO INCOME. What investor is going to invest in a manufacturing plant that is not making any money 3 weeks out of the month. How do you pay the notes due? How do you pay the employees required to operate and you can't hire a workforce and tell them they will only be paid one week out of the month and you have to be there to keep your job.

The more the grid moves to inconsistent unreliable renewables the more the above will come into play. The anti-fossil/nuclear do not want to add that into the equation merely saying "oh they will just get it from elsewhere on the grid that has some excess capacity". That excess is their BACKUP and then the transmission cost. How much loss would there be having to transmit power from say Kansas to California on a typical route?