The Erdoğan/Trump Slaughter Has Begun

Correct, in the end there will not be peace there until one or two groups take over the whole thing.

 

I have held this view for decades through Presidents from both parties.

 

That the US should precipitously abandon democratic forces to make way for genocide?

I know of no president of either party who had previously engaged in such treachery.

 

Obama made the decision not to become involved in the Syrian civil war but, because it was in our national security interests, decided to give air support and advisers to Kurds fighting ISIS on the Syrian border. Now, due to the Orange Buffoon's decision to acquiesce to Erdogan's request to allow him to slaughter the Kurds, they have aligned themselves with Syrian government forces.

This is another example of the 'stable genius" having no idea how the dominoes would fall after his impulsive, idiotic act of betrayal.

"The shift sets up a potential clash between Turkey and Syria and raises the specter of a resurgent Islamic State group as the U.S. relinquishes any remaining influence in northern Syria to Assad and his chief backer, Russia."
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/syrian-army-turkish-forces-046659


Hundreds of Islamic State family members have escaped a detention camp in Ain Issa, which has been the administrative capital of the Kurdish-led government in northeastern Syria.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...e2c420-ee06-11e9-bb7e-d2026ee0c199_story.html

 

as of yesterday EIGHT HUNDRED Isis fighters have escaped

NO US troops have left Syria (they have been moved to areas where the Turkish militia units won't attack them)

3,000 US troops have been sent to Saudi Arabia

 

Can you imagine just how apoplectic right wing mania media would be, not to mention all the usual suspects in Congress (and Trumper's on this board), if Hillary made an impulsive decision like that, against the advice of her military advisers. A decision made at the behest of a authoritarian dictator.............a decision that will allow Russia to have more influence in the area..........has lead to the displacement of 130K Kurds, and disgraced our military and our reputation world wide.

 

Is that what I said? No. Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

I put no words in your mouth.

You claimed, "I have held this view [What view?] for decades through Presidents from both parties."

I inquired, "That the US should precipitously abandon democratic forces to make way for genocide?",
and observed that, "I know of no president of either party who had previously engaged in such treachery."

If you had indicated what the "view" is that you claim to have held, I would not have needed to inquire.

 

Trump pulled ~ 100 soldiers out. Turkey promised to create/observe a safe space. They lied.

 

If you wanted elaboration you should have asked, I'd have been happy to oblige.

That view is that:

1. War in the information age is primarily for economic stimulus.
2. Defense R&D sets itself up in strategic areas to become politically powerful.
3. We (the European powers and their progeny) ****ed the Middle East up more than it already was with Sykes-Picot, constant proxy war with Russia, and regime change.
4. Entangling alliances are an enemy of freedom and make war worse when it breaks out.
5. Standing armies are an enemy of freedom.

No problem.

 

Yet another Trump telephone call in which he screwed himself. Trump's cutting and running licensed Erdogan's massacre, but it is Assad, Iran and especially who Putin win.

 

Thank you.

 

Turkey will pay dearly. The planned sanctions will cripple their economy.

 

1916 ????

The current disaster aka the ME owes thanks to the moronic political decision by Barack Obama to completely pull all military, intelligence, and governance personnel out of a safe, stable, and secure Iraq in 2011.

 

The winners in Trump's betrayal will be Islamic State, Assad, Iran and, most of all, Putin.

TRUMP AND ERDOGAN 'JUST GOT PLAYED' BY PUTIN
SAYS TERRORISM EXPERT, AS KURDS IN SYRIA STRIKE DEAL WITH RUSSIA AND BASHAR AL-ASSAD
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...n-says-terrorism-expert-michael-smith-1465008
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George Conway is eviscerating Fake Don for his foolish treachery:

Trump's Syria decision is a 'colossal geopolitical blunder of historic significance'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/14/george-conway-trump-syria-decision/3979139002/​

 

Remember folks.

The first time Trump proposed this...General Mattis resigned

 

Our Trump lapdog Secretary of Defense Mark Esper is saying exactly what Trump wants him to say, screw the confusion among his commanders, screw the moral of the troops who are ordered to retreat, and screw an invaluable ally, the Kurds.

"And so we find ourselves, we have American forces likely caught between two opposing advancing armies, and it's a very untenable situation," Esper said. "So I spoke with the president last night, after discussions with the rest of the national security team, and he directed that we begin a deliberate withdrawal of forces from northern Syria."

Esper fails to mention it is the President who placed our troops in this situation, and, of course, the President orders another retreat because the un-military C-in-C to stupid to understand that neither the Turks nor the Syrians will fire on American troops. He doesn't know that our troops were a buffer to prevent what is happening now.

Esper knows that, but the sycophant wants to keep his job. That means mimicking Trump rather than being faithful to the troops and our country. As soon as the new President takes office on Jan. 20, 2021, Esper will be fired ... if he lasts that long.

Turkey has accomplished what the Russians wanted all along. The Turks and Trump removed U.S. troops from Syria. Putin is pleased.

 

The US went from 1000 US troops, in a low risk deployment, whose presence prevented the decimation of democratic forces who had imprisoned thousands of Islamic State terrorists, and were protecting tens of thousands of Syrian refugees, Christians and other minorities, to bloody chaos that accrues to Putin's benefit, even as Fake Don's phony excuse for getting played, withdrawing from the region, is contradicted by his now sending 2,000 more troops to Saudi Arabia.

 

There are still 5000 US troops in Iraq.

 

All 100 of them.

 

And 13-14,000 in Afghanistan, 3,000 in Saudi Arabia.

Apparently, Erdoğan hasn't ordered Trump to cut and run from those, yet.

 

You claim that Erdogan ordered Trump to bring the 100 soldiers home ???

 

I agree emphatically, but I finger Sykes-Picot as responsible for a lot of the ME for the same reasons.

The power vacuum in Northern Iraq bred ISIS.

 

Then I suggest you visit your GP as a matter of urgency as it is obvious that you have some serious memory issues.

Obama's deal with Turkey is a betrayal of Syrian Kurds and may not even weaken ISIS

www.independent.co.uk/voices/turkey-kurdish-conflict-obamas-deal-with-ankara-is-a-betrayal-of-syrian-kurds-and-may-not-even-10432524.html%3famp

...When first announced over a week ago, US officials spoke triumphantly of the agreement being “a game-changer” in the war against Isis. In fact, the war waged by Turkey in the days since this great American diplomatic success has been almost entirely against the Kurds, at home and abroad.

Turkish jets are pounding sites occupied by the PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) guerrillas in the Qandil Mountains and other parts of northern Iraq. Inside Turkey, the majority of those detained by the security forces turn out to be Kurdish or left-wing activists and not suspected Isis sympathisers. Prosecutions are threatened against MPs of the largely Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party...