Trump levels sanctions on Turkey in attempt to contain the chaos wrecked by his Syria withdrawal

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  1. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Trump giving Turkey the greelight in this case is like letting a child molester be a scout troop leader.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    The nuclear weapons are in the hands of US military which are on bases in Turkey. They are not in the hands of Thrkey unless Trump surrenders them to Turkey which would be treason.
     
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    They might have if he had ask them about it.
     
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    Let's see how well those sanctions bring thousands of dead civilians back to life, untortures US allies, and recaptures ISIS fighters.

    Pro-tip: It will not.
     
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    So only protect your citizens if someone asks? Their really taking the initiative huh? Wonder why all these European citizens are tired of their leadership ?
     
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    So if the Turks were dead set on coming in 50 us troops be damned you'd sacrifice them? Then declare another me war, this time with a Nato member?
     
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    Wth are yoouuu talking about......this is what you said "It could be that NATO has had enough of Trump lying about them, trying to provoke them, and showing no respect for NATO countries who sent troops to Afghanistan to help us."

    You think that citizens of European countries value their safety over showing Trump what for? I do
     
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    They are probably trapped behind Turkish lines just like the Americans.
    Maybe Trump should have also ask the Pentagon. :)
     
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    Oh Merkel and Macron are trapped behind Turkish lines weird
     
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    Ooo. You are so smart. :applause:
     
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    Wirhdraw completely from the entire region. No bases, not a single boot on the ground, withdraw from all agreements with every ME nation and leave them to their fate.
     
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    The president is doing what he said he’d do. I wish our nato allies in Europe would get on board
     
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    ISIS is escaping now and Russia has just bombed 4 hospitals.

    Trump lied.. there are 1000 US soldiers in Syria.
     
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    Presidents put troops in, there's uproar. Presidents pull troops out, there's uproar. President's reduce military spending, there's uproar. President's increase military spending, there's uproar..........

    Can you see the pattern here?
     
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    Incirlik Air Base in Incirlik, Turkey. Incirlik Air Base is one of the major strategically located US military bases. The base is in Turkey, which means that it is operated by both the US and the Turkish governments, unlike other co-bases.
     
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    Do you think Trump is aware of Incirlik Air Base in Incirlik, Turkey?

    Incirlik Air Base is one of the major strategically located US military bases.
     
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    No did I ever say anything about "sacrificing"our American troops? Hell no show aquote from that says that! The small amount ( about 1000) US troops are a deterrent in that Turkey would not attack US troops.The credibility and stature of the US as of last week would have prevented Turkey a fellow NATO country from attacking the number one NATO country..

    You noticed , I assume, that it was only after Trump gave Turkey (Erdagon) the Green Light Turkey man Erdogan gobbled up Trump's permission and attacked the Kurds.
     
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    No what I said about what NATO country's attitude is that Trump destroyed US credibility with NATO by running his mouth crapping on NATO countries and lying about them. Basically Trump accomplished what Soviet Russia and Putin Russia always wanted that is to deball NATO.
     
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    You failed to identify any logical pattern. "You" the universal "you" need to look at troop insertions or withdrawals in context. US troops were in that part of Syrian the way of Turkey so their withdrawal at this time in this context is a disaster. Trump not only gave the ok to kill Kurds but he also caused ISIS to restive. Trump wil the ISIS "Man" of the Year. All he needs now is to adopt his mew Isalamic name- Adulah Suliman Sardis.
     
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    I will blame Trump for things that he has done (i.e., this moronic 'Turkish-Syria invasion' debacle), but, Trump is NOT to blame for a long-standing NATO policy of storing and "sharing" nuclear weapons in Turkey and other NATO countries.

    At this site you can see where the U. S. has had nukes "stored" for many years -- including under Republican AND Democrat presidents:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

    U.S. nuclear weapons in host countries

    Country Air base Custodian Warheads
    [​IMG] Belgium Kleine Brogel 52nd Fighter Wing -- 20
    [​IMG] Germany Büchel 52nd Fighter Wing -- 20
    [​IMG] Italy Ghedi Torre 52nd Fighter Wing -- 40
    Aviano 31st Fighter Wing -- 40
    [​IMG] Netherlands Volkel 52nd Fighter Wing -- 20
    [​IMG] Turkey Incirlik 39th Air Base Wing -- 50

    Total
    190



     
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    So the next time these people — who didn't hate America definitely do now — bomb and murder buildings on US soil you will rightly blame trump for his reckless and hasty destructive actions, yes?
     
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    The problem has been going on since the 10th century. Why are you for endless wars and being the world police?
     
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    Not surprised you support the radical left wing PKK communists.
     
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    Trump did the right thing in getting us out of there, no question, but it will be interesting to see how the "sanctions thing" plays out once Turkey reminds the US that it holds several dozen of our nuclear weapons on its property.
     
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    I'll throw one more small 'turd' in this nuclear-weapons-in-Turkey 'punchbowl'. It is debatable whether or not the TRIGGERS for any U. S. nuclear weapons stored in Turkey are actually there -- but don't take too much comfort in that idea. Is it just possible that some other country with a LOT of expertise in the manufacture of nuclear weapons could make substitute/replacement TRIGGERS if they wanted to...? Really cheerful stuff, right?

    And NONE of this had to surface as a possibility before now, really.

    Whether we had a dozen, a hundred, a thousand, or 100,000 U. S. military personnel on the ground in Northern Syria, Turkey was not (NOT) going to stage an invasion while we were there... they would not have dared do so, even though the Turks have wanted to exterminate the Kurds for a hundred years! Logically, we never should have put U. S. troops in Syria in the first place, but withdrawing them should have been treated as a very delicate, crucially-important issue that needed a great deal of thought, collaboration with allies, and a clear-cut understanding with both allies AND enemies.

    You don't just wake up one morning, have a phone call with a tyrannical despot like Ergogan, and make an impetuous snap-decision with large-scale geopolitical ramifications! Now there's an enormous, hellish series of problems, and there's only one man who is going to benefit from ANY of it.

    [​IMG]. "Hey, it's kind of like hitting the lottery -- three times in a row!" 8)
     
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