Do you believe that what Trump said on the call to Ukraine was appropriate?

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Was what Trump said to Zelensky on the infamous call appropriate?

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  1. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama was awful, you don't go from Obama to Trump if Obama was worth a damn. It doesn't happen, never happened in history, and certainly didn't happen here...
     
  2. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    "Fiona Hill, the White House’s former top Russia adviser, told impeachment investigators on Monday that Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, ran a shadow foreign policy in Ukraine that circumvented U.S. officials and career diplomats in order to personally benefit President Trump, according to people familiar with her testimony."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trumps-former-top-russia-adviser-to-testify-in-house-impeachment-probe/2019/10/14/e6015c1c-ee34-11e9-8693-f487e46784aa_story.html
     
  3. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Banned

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    I will consider you a liberal because you dislike Trump and the only people that dislike Trump are liberal democrats. How you value your president speaks volumes about your political convictions. Call yourself whatever you want, doesn't change your stance on Trump and that speaks for itself. Its also very clear you subscribe to the liberal media... Whats your stance on Abortion? How do you view Obama? Borders? Israel?

    First of all you fail to address his stance on abortion or relationship with the faith community...
    Your own article (which is fake news by the way) says this: The overarching concern, said Daniel L Goldberg, the legal director at the Alliance For Justice, is that Trump’s judges will now shape American life according to the narrow conservative vision of the elite, predominantly white and male groups guiding Trump’s hand as he makes his picks – a vision that is divergent not only from the political left but also from the center.
    And this:
    Put together they form a kind of conservative judicial revolution that could impact all aspects of American life.

    You cant be serious (fake news). Trump makes all the judicial appointments. He has said on multiple occasions that he personally selected and endorsed his supreme court picks. And even if the article was correct, which it is not, the lower level judge selections are still made by the Trump administration, so it goes back to Trump no matter how you cut this apart. Trump is a clear cut conservative, like I said, due to his stances on abortion, religion, the constitution, in fact the NRA endorsed Trump 2016. Trump is a fervent defender of the second amendment. Pastors and church leaders everywhere praise Trump for his conservative policy. If you still think Trump is not a conservative dont bother posting again.

    Oh thats right, the liberal left views billionaire Donald Trump as a dummy. He was a dummy, thats why all his skyscrapers are falling apart and about to come down. He is a dummy because he destroyed other prime candidates during the 2016 election. He is a dummy for protecting our second amendment. He is a dummy for outsmarting Hillary to win the presidency. He was a dummy for graduating at the top of his class from the Wharton School of Finance. He was a dummy for destroying ISIS. He was a dummy for securing 50B for our farmers. He was a dummy for bringing down violent crime by more than 5%. He was a dummy for overseeing the longest period of economic growth in our nations history. After all, it takes a dummy to build a net worth of over 5 Billion dollars. You are very very brainwashed, no doubt about it. You are suffering under the greatest delusion in American history, and Obama is front and center.

    Con man? Not a real Christian? I guess that explains why he is very much against abortion. I guess that explains why he de-toothed the Johnson Amendment. I guess thats why he settled with Conservative groups that were targeted by Obama admin (501c3). I guess thats why he defends the unborn. I guess thats why he has gone out of his way to defend and protect Christians. I guess thats why he goes to church every week. I guess thats why he believes in creationism. I guess thats why he wants to protect human life. I guess thats why he praises the faith community and Christianity in general. Of course, he must be a phony Christian.
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    And dont forget, Obama was the real impostor. Closeted not only for his sexual preference but for his personal religion as well. (Islam) Obama created ISIS.

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    Yes, if we play by democratic rules, ethics and honor are of no concern.

    Trump isnt phased by this fantasy witch hunt hoax called an impeachment inquiry.
    In fact, Biden is pretty much out of the running at this point. Who is your candidate again?
     
  4. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Notice the talking point story, recently cooked up? "You see, everything was actually the opposite of exactly what it was".
     
  5. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    The issues that are leading to impeachment have to do with coercing a foreign country to work to affect our election in his favor and obstruction of justice (numerous times and in several forms) - not his many acts of personal immorality.
     
  6. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No matter how many times that you or the left say some version of he was "working to affect our election", that does not make it so. That statement is an opinion. It might truly be the underlying motive, and it might not be. One thing is for certain, as of right now, proof of that assertion most certainly does NOT exist. In addition to being a candidate for 2020, Joe Biden also happens to be our last Vice President in the Obama administration. One can just as logically argue that he was working to uncover corruption in government, specifically from the Obama administration, especially considering that Barr is currently investigating the Obama administration for potential corruption. If he was asking Ukraine to find out whether Beto was having an affair 3 years ago in the Ukraine, you could say that was clearly digging up dirt for the election because Beto had nothing to do with government. When referring to the past administration (Joe Biden) however, you cannot prove that connection. All you have is suspicion, and you aren't likely to ever have anything that actually proves your assertion.

    The left keeps repeating this assertion ad nauseam, and it has created an echo chamber where you have all convinced yourself that you have proof that does not exist. When it comes to ascribing a motive, you literally have nothing other than suspicion.
     
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  7. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden admitted the corruption. The Steele Dossier originated in part in Ukraine which is the most corrupt nations in Europe. That’s what Trump was asking the new President of Ukraine to investigate. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
     
  8. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only coercion involved Joe Biden’s forcing the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor.
     
  9. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Biden’s have been dirtying themselves for decades.
     
  10. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Bull.

    Trump demanded personal campaign support before he would release congressionally allocated aid to Ukraine.

    That is a crime, and FULLY worthy of impeachment.

    Trump even admitted that.
     
  11. Dayton3

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    It isn't enough.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What corruption?
     
  13. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why isn't an illegal plan to extort Ukraine, a crime committed by the POTUS, conducted under the direction of Don, followed by an attempt to cover it up, enough?
     
  14. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Even Trump himself admitted that he demanded election support before he would release congressionally allocated aid to Ukraine.

    And, there is proof beyond just his claims.

    That alone clearly warrants impeachment.
     
  15. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Demanded election support before he would release aid? I dont suppose you can provide me with a reasonably credible link to your claim? Lets discuss it.
     
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  16. AFM

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    Hiring Hunter and bribing the previous Ukrainian government to fire the prosecutor.
     
  17. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This topic has been thoroughly vetted. Your assertion is baseless.
     
  19. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read your entire link. Nowhere does it say ANYTHING related to trump demanding election support, or of him demanding election support before releasing aid. LOL....are you seriously trying to pass this off as backing up that assertion?....really?

    I think I now better understand why it is that you are so confused. You apparently lack any reading comprehension skills.
     
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    Hiring Hunter and bribing the previous Ukrainian government to
    Trump asked for help from the new Ukrainian President to investigate corruption of the previous Ukrainian government using the Biden admission of bribing Ukraine to stop investigating his son. The crime is with Joe and Hunter Biden who actually engaged in corruption. Trump is investigating corruption.
     
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    Go to the tape of Joe bragging about his threat of withholding $1B.
     
  22. Thought Criminal

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    Wow!

    You're really piling it up.
     
  23. FAW

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    By "thoroughly vetted", he means excused away by the Obama Administration while denying any wrongdoing, and a couple of their co conspirators within the highly corrupt nation of Ukraine.
     
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    Because the conduct of foreign policy even to the presidents benefit is well within a presidents authority.

    Would you have slammed LBJ for trying to end U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War because he wanted to boost his reelection chances?

    Would you have slammed Carter for ordering the attempt to rescue American hostages held in Iran because he worried the hostage crisis was hurting his reelection prospects?
     
  25. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not that I'm surprised you deny objective reality. I wouldn't expect anything different from a supporter of Don. Because..........acknowledging reality blows a hole in the entire Trump narrative from day one.

    ‘I would like you to do us a favor’: The 30 minute phone call that changed Trump’s presidency
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/12/i-w...hone-call-that-changed-trumps-presidency.html

    As one American to another, I'm embarrassed for you that you are so devoted to an ignorant bigot that you can't admit to what you have read.
     

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