Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. Iron_Merc

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    And that leads to a key point. Abortion may not be murder under US law, but God's court is the highest court in the land, and yes, abortion is murder in god's eyes.

    There is no justification for killing unborn children. This is sick, very sick.
     
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    Your bastardization of "Thou shalt not kill" is absurd nonsense.

    You claiming to know - what you do - not about the mind of God - is putting words in God's mouth.

    It would be like claiming that we not kill plants and animals because they are living things - and God said "thou shalt not kill".

    God commanded the Israelite's to kill babies - clearly the command was not as all inclusive as you are claiming.
     
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    The commandment against murder can be viewed as a legal issue governing human relationships, noting that the first four commandments relate strongly to man's duty to God and that the latter six commandments describe duties toward humans.[3][4] The commandment against murder can also be viewed as based in respect for God himself.[5][6] "The voice of your brother's blood is crying to me from the ground. And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand." Genesis 4:10–11 (ESV)

    The Genesis narrative also portrays the prohibition of shedding innocent blood as an important aspect of God's covenant with Noah.[7][8]
     
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    Who made you gods spokes person?
     
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    Utter nonsense? What are you talking about? Totally clueless
     
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    The Bible speaks for itself. Thou shalt no kill is pretty clear to someone with open ears. That doesnt include you.
     
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    In the strictest sense he did not confine that to human only which is why some will not eat meat
     
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    I want you to take this verse to heart.

    “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.” (Luke 1:39–45)
     
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    Then I take it you don't eat plants and animals. Your literal interpretation of scripture - one which avoids all context - is simplistic and nonsensical.

    None of this is stated in the Bible - you are talking gibbrerish.


    Sure we have the right to life - a zygote however is not part of the word "we"

    No one with a brain claims a zygote isn't human. Its a "human" cell. you need to learn the difference between the noun and a descriptive adjective form of the word "human" Desc Adjective ( human cell, human feces, human DNA ) Noun (a human, a living human )

    The Jews were living humans. Your analogy is preposterous gibberish because you have not shown that a zygote is a living human.

    Monstrous extremism and uneducated nonsense - with a dose of ad hom and demonization of the other.

    I classify you with the likes of Al Qaeda. The difference being that I can support my claim - and you can't.
     
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    No it didn't - because no human exists at the zygote stage - unless of course you can prove otherwise.

    The process of your creation began with the twinkle in your fathers eye - unless your mother used a sperm bank in which case it was the twinkle in the sperm donors eye - as he viewed some porn as he pulled his pud.

    This does not make the twinkle in your fathers eye - a living human.
    There is no human that came into existence with out a sperm. This does not make a sperm - a living human.
    There is no human that came into existence without a zygote - This does not make a zygote a living human.

    Your argument is bunk.

    There is no such thing as "murdering the unborn" - sans the stage at which the fetus can be stated to be a living human.

    All you have done so far is come into the debate and commit an "Assumed Premise" fallacy - getting on to the debate stage - in a debate on when a living human exists - and repeat your claim over and over - as if repetition of claim constitutes proof of claim. This is silliness.
     
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    I realize that you taking "thou shalt not kill" in a literal sense is utter nonsense and totally clueless. Once again you have completely failed to address any of the points that conflict with your silly claims.

    Should we not eat plants and animals because "thou shalt not kill" ? If not - what is it we are not to kill ?

    Answer - for those of us who are not totally clueless = humans - and you have completely failed to show that a zygote is a living human.

    Further - in a Biblical sense - this command did not forbid the killing of all humans - to those of us who are not clueless.
     
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    No, I am not harming anyone. it's you guys and the liberal left that support the killing of unborn children. Understand? I don't kill unborn children and I will never support that practice. We've been through this and I have no choice to but funnel you in to a not so good category.


    You are highly uneducated on these matters, as it appears. Firstly, I want you to take this verse to heart (commit it to memory)

    “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.” (Luke 1:39–45)

    The Fruit if your womb? Boy if God was a liberal he would have phrased the scripture a little differently...

    There is no "bastardization" of the 10 commandments going on here. It's just you cant handle the truth. That's all this is. You are so tangled up in your own pride. But you should be proud, right?

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    Might do you some good to see what our Founding father's thought about abortion. Maybe we should get back to our roots, no?

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    OK, let me see you grow an oak tree, with no acorn.
    Reguardless of what you say, no zygote= no you

    No acorn=no oak tree.

    Unless you want to argue the clone rout.
     
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    Nobody cares about you stupid zygote argument. It's irrelevant. Human life should be protected from conception to death.

    Remember, it's Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness
    NOT
    Death Oppression and the Pursuit of Sadness

    And try to be less clueless, God clearly directed the 10 commandments to the human race. I'm sure you are a firm believer in biblical allegory.. it's at least a good way to hide the truth from your conscious mind. As they say, ignorance is bliss.

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    Now you are projecting your issues "highly uneducated" onto me - Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person.

    Since you have no ability to form a coherent response to my comments - you respond with ad hom - demonization -and repeating your unsupported premise over and over and over like a broken record. This is not an educated response.

    Saying "There is no bastardization" is not proof of claim. You have completely failed to put "thou shalt not kill" into context -

    Answer the question - Should we not kill plants and animals ?
     
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    Who told you that you could grow an oak tree without an acorn ? Certainly not me.

    On the contrary - an acorn is required for an Oak Tree to exist - just like a zygote is required for a human to exist.

    An acorn is not an Oak Tree - and a zygote is not a living human.
     
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    First you need to support your erroneous contention that "thou shalt not kill" applies to plants and non humans. The Bible, clearly states that man has dominion, over the earth.
     
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    What did the founders have to say about abortion ? At the time the "life liberty and pursuit of happiness" did not even include all living humans - never mind a single human cell.

    Maybe you should make a coherent argument instead of talking gibberish.

    You have yet to prove your claim that a zygote is a living human .. and completely avoided all comments to the contrary with anything other than repeating your premise.
     
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    Of course, and without them, no tree or human would exist. Your argument amounts to, "we can throw all the acorns and zygotes into the fire, because neither one is a human or an oak tree"

    But without either one, neither could exist. Each is one stage to the development to the end result. If you could magically, revert to your zygote stage, of human development and be aborted, do you imagine you could still post here?
     
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    There is NO mention of Abortion in the scripture AT ALL.
     
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    You can not seem to make a post without engaging in raging fallacy. Have you talked to "everyone" ? Ridiculous and absurd generalization.

    "Human life should be protected" - You twirl around in a circle - name calling and calling me "uneducated" yet you still have not figured out the difference between the noun and adjective form of the word "human" - even after I explained to you what the difference is.

    A sperm is "human life" - why do you put the bar at conception - why not protect all human life.

    Every human cell is human life - life that is formed after conception - do you mourn for all those living human skin cells you killed typing the above post ?
     
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    Your arguments are so flawed it's almost unbelievable. The left lives in such a paradox..... ARE YOU HAPPY YOU WEREN'T ABORTED?

    Founding father's were against abortion and protected the unborn child. The fact that liberals support abortion is clear that you could care less about the principles upon which this nation was founded.

    Again, it's just another example of the lack of a moral compass from the left.
    They want to play God and they certainly dont fear God.

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    Again, its Life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness

    NOT

    Death, Oppression and the pursuit of Sadness
     
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    Are you happy you werent aborted? Happy you didnt end up as a dismembered baby?

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