No testimony from whistle blower

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  1. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    Trump has already stated. So has the president of Ukraine. It might help if people who were in the planning sessions of the Ukraine situation would testify. A couple have already said that in all of the discussions of the military aid Biden never came up and was not in anybody's mind. Schiff of course would never let them testify. And it is possible that Trump will not either as it would allow Schiff to bore into unrelated confidential stuff.
     
  2. TurnerAshby

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    ready for another mind eff....

    imagine before your above scenario a month before another gang of robbers robbed the same exact till but since the cops knew these robbers they let them go
     
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    The Democrats believe they have a case for removal from office via impeachment. They will present their "evidence" publicly both in the House and the Senate. The electorate will form their own opinions based on those public hearings and Senate trial, regardless of how Senate Republicans vote. If the evidence is strong enough and Senate Republicans ignore it, they would do so at their own electoral peril.
     
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    so its not about impeachment at all its about 2020?

    Dont you find it ironic that the punishment for Trump trying to interfere with the election is interfering with the election?
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The President brought all of this upon himself...both in Ukraine and in the Mueller suggestion of obstruction of justice. The Democrats had nothing to do with either the timing of the Mueller Report's release or the President's telephone call to Zelenskiy.
     
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    So you think the IMF, the EU and Obama all wanted the prosecutor fired because he was investigating Biden’s son?

    Gimme a break, willya?
     
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    Yep, and Impeachment does not deprive Trump of property, liberty, his life, or even his job. He is simply not entitled to the same Due Process rights as those who could potentially lose one of those three.

    Why should I care about the length of the Senate Trial for Clinton?

    The same rights afforded to previous minority parties in previous impeachment inquiries.
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    What do they have to materially add here?
     
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    Even if Biden and his son had confessed to a crime before that phone call, Trump's method for pressuring Ukraine to launch an investigation while simultanously and unilaterally holding hundreds of millions in military aid, a requested meeting, and a restoration of trade rights would be an abuse of power.

    If you think they committed a crime, take that evidence to your domestic investigative agencies and let them handle the investigation. If they want or need the cooperation from a foreign power, then they can make that request. If those requests are refused, then the President can personally get involved to ensure cooperation.
     
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    I'm sorry...who is this referencing? Who is willing to testify that Trump never brought up Biden and was not in anybody's mind when military aid was discussed, but has been refused from testifying by Schiff?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. Ole Joe Bite_me did.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't this about nepotism? Biden's son got his job on the board of the Ukrainian energy company because his father was Vice President of the United States. Jared and Ivanka got their White House positions (along with its personal advantages to each) because of their relationship to the President of the United States.
     
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    No it wouldn't it would be a proper assertion of the power and enforcement of a cooperation treaty between our two countries.

    The President is domestic and it is fully within his power to make those request even if the investigative agency did not, he trumps them.
     
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    i was just asking if your found it ironic that the punishment is exactly the same as the act
     
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    what does the IMF and the EU have to do with threatening to withhold congressial approved loan guarantees? The IMF doesn't authorize Federal loan guarantees congress does
     
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    Hunter was not working for his father or the government. Bobby Kennedy got his job as Attorney General because of his relationship with the President and neither Jared or Ivanka are paid employees.
     
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    Hmmm...I thought you were implying that the Democrats were pushing impeachment as a "2020 election interference." I just pointed out that the Democrats had no role in the timing of the President's actions leading to the impeachment inquiry.
     
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    They are though as you elluded to they know he won't be removed so what other reason would they push for Impeachment than to interfere with the upcoming election?
     
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    Their rewards exceed their salaries. "No salaries" is a poor fig leaf for those already multi-millionaires. Perhaps, it's time to look into Kushner's qualifications for his role in putting together a Middle East peace process and his finances in the region? Or, Ivanka's White House role, and the Chinese decision to award her companies licenses to give her products access to the Chinese market?
     
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    Who is going to testify military aid was discussed? The whistleblower? Thought you didn't want him to testify.
     
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    Because they think he's guilty and should be removed by impeachment?
     
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    so you believe its some moral stand that they're doing?
     
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    Yes...you don't? You believe it's OK for him to hold up funding appropriated by Congress in return for a foreign investigation into a political rival? Or, to demand another investigation by a foreign country into their election interference in an election, in which his own administration has confirmed that that interference was by the Russians?
     
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    They are not employees of the government, no nepotism. A President can choose whomever they want as their personal advisers.

    On January 9, 2017, Kushner was named Senior Advisor to the President[74] (formally, "Assistant to the President and Senior Advisor"[75]). He consequently resigned as CEO of Kushner Companies, and as publisher of the Observer.[76] Kushner's appointment was questioned on the basis of a 1967 anti-nepotism law.[77] On January 20, 2017, the Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel issued an opinion stating, "The President may appoint relatives to his immediate staff of advisors."[78][79]

    Trump put Kushner in charge of brokering peace in Israeli–Palestinian conflict, as well as making deals with foreign countries, although in what way he is in charge is unclear.[91][92][93] On August 24, 2017, Kushner traveled to Israel to talk to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu[94] (with whom Kushner has longstanding personal links and family ties, causing Palestinians to distrust him[95][96]). He then traveled to Palestine to meet President Mahmoud Abbas in an attempt to restart a peace process in the Middle East.[94]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner


    Ivanka's businesses predate her father even running for office and everyone who sells a product in China gets their copyrights in order for their products just as they do here and every other country to protect their property form copying.
     
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    If there is reason to believe the country is full of corruption yes. If there probable cause that political rival and his son may have been involved in that corruption yes. If there is reason to believe some of that Russian interference may have been directed through Ukraine yes. Give me a reason why not to.
     
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