More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza after Islamic Jihad leader killed

And since Israel is a democracy, the regime IS the people.

 

And since more Jews live in Israel than in all the other places in the world, he it talking about the murdering the Jews.

 

I honestly don't have any interest in polemics. "Israel" stand for an exclusivist definition of a state in Palestine, defined as a "Jewish state". Leaving aside that when the project was first started, the overwhelming majority in Palestine were not Jews, and what that entailed in practice, and leaving aside the status of the Israeli occupied territories and its residents, the fact is that even today in even the areas that have Jewish majority, Israel has too many non-Jews for an exclusivist definition not to present issues if the demographics begin to change.

In any case, while you are entitled to support whatever you want to support, my own preference as a solution for the issue is a confederate Palestinian state composed of a Jewish state in Israel, an autonomous capital city in Jerusalem without any exclusive definition belonging to all groups, and Palestinian states in the West Bank and Gaza, each represented through democratic institutions and having a relation to the confederate authority similar to the relationship of say the EU member states to the EU.

 

No that is not what statistics say. Certainly it is getting near with 46% of Jews apparently living in Israel, up from 41% in 2008 and ten times the number of Jews when they took over the land but still not half of the people who describe themselves as Jews or who have the appropriate grandparents or however it is worked.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/latest-population-statistics-for-israel

 

Sorry buddy, but if after what happened in WW2 you don't get why Israel is designate as a Jewish country you're missing the big picture.
Never again will jews rely on the good will of other nations for their protection. If push comes to shove, jews have now a country that will accept them and not turn them away to be killed. This is the reason why Israel exist today. The palestinian arabs refused their part of the partition and attacked Israel multiple time, and lost. Moral of the story, don't start wars you can't win.

 

Israel Foreign Minister Israel Katz said Tel Aviv will continue with its policy of assassinations against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip despite an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire.

 

First, what I have suggested includes a "Jewish state" (Israel) within a confederate framework. Second, I have no doubt that no just solution to the issue will ever emerge until there is a change in the balance of power in the region. Until the logic of might makes right doesn't favor Israel anymore.

 

Confederation means others can overrule the jewish part. This is not acceptable to the jews anymore.
The only solution that I see, is a disarmed palestinian state on the land that they presently own with a land bridge along the jordanian and egyptian border to connect gaza to the WB and land swap in the west bank to make that part contiguous. Forget about Jerusalem.

 

First, no, a 'confederation" doesn't mean what you suggest. Confederation refers to a system where on many issues, the central authority has no authority to overrule the confederate membership. Second, we are going in circles. The solution I envision will not occur unless there is a change in the balance of power and the logic that it support among partisans of Israel.

 

That's a large number of rockets for people who are supposed to be so poor and put upon.

 

I live in a confederation, Canada, and yes one part can be overruled by the other.

 

You live in a federal system, not a confederate one. The issue in any case isn't about semantics. A constitutional system can delineate the boundaries about one can or cannot be "overruled".

 

False.
Canada is a confederation since 1867: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Confederation
A confederation IS a federation. You're the one being pedantic. Either you have two separate state or you don't. And the Israeli will never accept that someone else has any control whatsoever over them.

 

I want what I mentioned and it was clear enough, given the EU anology in particular. The semantic point is totally irrelevant and pointless.

As for the Wikipedia article, read it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Confederation
Canadian Confederation
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canadian Confederation (French: Confédération canadienne) was the process by which the British colonies of the Province of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick were united into one federation, Canada (formally the Dominion of Canada), on July 1, 1867.[1][2]

 

Yes, and a confederation IS a FEDERATION! Your lack of understanding of that fact is quite telling.
A confederation means that the participant comes into the federation on a voluntary and an equal basis. It doesn't mean that once they're joined in said federation that they have veto powers or the power to disregard what the federal government says or does.

 

No, a confederation is typically a looser arrangement than a federation. But you can imagine as you wish.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Confederation_vs_Federation
Confederation vs. Federation

Sometimes confederation is erroneously used in the place of federation. Some nations which started out as confederations retained the word in their titles after officially becoming federations, such as Switzerland. The United States of America was a confederation before it became a federation with the ratification of the current U.S. constitution in 1788.

Comparison chart
Confederation versus Federation comparison chart

 

Well, since it's written on some obscure website I guess all those Canadian political books I own and studied are wrong.
Then again, a supposedly iranian on a US based political forum should know better than one who lived is life in Canada.
And you have the guts do blast people who talk about Iranian political system if they don't live there...

 

There are also a number of other middle east nations that would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the map. Israel is surrounded by what, 20 other Islamic nations? And make no mistake, Iran wants to see Israel and it's people erased.

Fact remains, Armageddon will be fought over what is now Israel. People really need to understand the religious significance of Israel before they can understand it's political significance.

 

Honestly, I don't care. Those who need to understand the issues, can do so on their own. This isn't something to argue over for me, as unlike issues about Iran, the issue isn't something that the 'average Joe' here can't learn on his own. And it doesn't matter to me if they are misled by you or not on the issue.

But as I said, if you had even read the Wikipedia article you yourself had cited, you would get your answer about Canada as well and how it fits the terminology that is in vogue in political theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Confederation

 

Perhaps their memories were erased on the plane ride here. As much as I would love to hijack this thread and make it about Iran, these rockets were fired indiscriminately by those who wish to keep the Palestinians angry and primitive to preserve their willingness to be used as pawns against Israel. Lets not pretend the Iranian government cares about these people. Propaganda aside, Israel is still a tiny strip of land in the region where it is safe to be Christian, Jewish, atheist, opinionated, non-Muslim, gay, or critical of government/religion.

 

Iran's government certainly has its own considerations in its stance and policies viz a viz the Palestinians and Israel -- and those combine ideological reasons with geopolitical considerations.

As far as Israel goes, and without admitting that you can't have some level of the same even in Iran, that is not a statement I would necessarily dispute. But I am not sure that is a justification for anything either.

 

"Bread crumbs are not a substitute for the freedom of the homelands!"

Do you find that hard to understand? I don't. The Palestinians are a proud people.

 

The Palestinians were there before the Jews came and bought up the land cheaply at first. Both ethnicities used to live peacefully side by side until the Zionists came along and drove the Palestinians out, slaughtered many of them, as a matter of fact. The Irgun and Stern Gang was especially known for its brutality.

Yes, the Colonial Powers of the past played havoc wherever they ruled. Is there a comparison today with the USA and Israel as the devastating powers? It sure looks like it.

 

Look, I am glad you brought this up. I was looking for this myself.

Israel was offered a piece of Palestine during the British Mandate.
It wasn't what the Jews wanted - many of the biblical places like
Jericho, Bethlehem, Shiloh etc remained Arab. The Jewish
capital Jerusalem remained Arab and the holiest place in the
Jewish mind, the temple mount, was off limits to Jews. It's insulting
for sure - BUT THE JEWS ACCEPTED A BAD DEAL OVER NO
DEAL.
Sad the "proud" people of Gaza never accepted a bad deal for
peace and prosperity. But that's the Arab mind. No land, no peace,
no prosperity. Just handing their grievances to the world - for many
generations to come.

 

I think, the Pals just don't trust the Jews in Israel. And as we have seen, you can't trust them! Bit by bit they have violated the UN division and taken more land away from the rightful inhabitants, ignored any UN resolutions, they took over Jerusalem, although it was supposed to be a free city for all.
The hatred for each other is just too overwhelming.