More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza after Islamic Jihad leader killed

It is the US and the zionists who are to blame. The Jews may have been too weak and timid to fight to get their land back from the Nazis ... but the Palestinians are not.

 

"Colonist" and "Colonialist" are two different terms, each with its own meaning. Jews never called themselves "colonialists".

 

The Saudis were not trying to remove Assad in 2011. They were trying to prevent regime change. That's the point you refuse to see because it contradicts your "US-Saudi-Israeli blueprint for the destruction of Syria since the dinosaurs roamed the Earth" theory. There's very little room for principles and long-term strategies in today's geopolitics, more so in such a volatile region like the Missile East (to stay on topic ). Blaming the US and its allies for everything everywhere has become a knee-jerk reaction.

Why don't we focus on the other side, for a change? What was the Syrian regime doing during this period? What was the Iranian regime doing? What was Hezbollah doing?

Please drop the "neo-Nazi Zionists" ineptitude. I didn't accuse Hersh of anything else than sloppy unethical journalism. Maybe a penchant for conspiracy theories too. Pointing out flaws in articles one doesn't agree with is now neo-Nazism? Not in a democracy.

Europe and the US don't understand the Middle East. Economic sanctions were not the right stick to frighten Assad, and economic incentives were not the right carrot. First and foremost, Assad cares about himself, not about his people. I'd say he's afraid of most of his people, those who don't belong to his sect. The policies you mention were justified from a European point of view, but were wrong nonetheless.

Foreign policy of one country can have a serious impact on other countries. That's why policies intended to avoid negative consequences are justified ("so what" is my way to say this in fewer words). Governments have not only the right to act to prevent such negative consequences, they have the duty to safeguard their own people.

Yeah, right. Arabs in the Middle East are mindless spineless creatures unable to move a finger without CIA pulling the strings.

Pfftt.

 

The Jewish Colonial Trust, being the first Zionist bank and one of the examples I gave you suggests otherwise.

 

No not true because it is not true as I showed you.

Indeed they have and prior to the beginning of Zionists attempts at colonisation around 1880 made up I have read 3% of the population. This was in no way done for the small Indigenous Jewish people. Zionists were killing them in the 36-39 revolt. Many Jews were also killed by Zionist terrorism while working in the police and indeed I think some were killed when Zionist terrorists bombed their newspaper because the people had chosen to write it in their own language, German. Information from archives etc recounted in State of Terrorism - How Terrorism created Modern Israel

The 17th C is irrelevant to the number of Middle East Jews in Palestine during the Mandate. You going back to previous centruies does nothing to change the reality that you gave this forum information which was not correct - that you claimed that ME Jews were a majority in Palestine during the Mandate when they were a tiny minority. As I said the motivation for this was almost certainly to give readers the wrong impression that there was a substantial presence of Jews in Palestine when you started Colonising it when this was anything but the truth. My memory was that I had read 3%. It is as I said before very difficult to find information on this. Here they say the Turks at the turn of the Century believed that the represented 5-7% of the population but this included European Jews who had always been given sanctuary when needed in Palestine indeed Muslim Lands. I think you had also had your first A by this time so I would think European would make up a fair number of this 5-7%. Whatever the correct Number Middle Eastern Jews in Palestine at the time Zionists got the idea of appropriating their land for themselves was tiny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews

There was nothing either slanderous or ad homme in what I said. You appear to be the person at that. Mid East Web was recommended to me several years ago by a pro Israel right or wrong all the time American Jew and I found it to be a good source. I know from finding out more about the author that he was a Zionist who made a decision to make mid east web as accurate as possible, To me this is highly commendable. When he died however the site was taken off air for several weeks and I have found information I had previously got from there no longer available. I lost a source where I had found some good information - for instance on Jews fighting with their Arab Kinsmen during the 36-39 Great Revolt and being killed by Zionists who were fighting with the Brits against them. He obviously still had a slight bias, that is impossible not to have. Even if we have nothing to gain from a situation, our values will always mean that unless we are a computer it is impossible to be totally objective.

Mid East Web - viewed around 2010-12

There is genetic proof that most Palestinians are in the centre of Jewish ancestry. They have a link with all other Jews and a closer link to other groups of Jews than they have to each other - with Ashkenazi having the smallest link. This suggests that a majority of Palestinians are the closest descendants of the ancient Jews which should not surprise anyone. In the past few years a gene has been found for the Picts which a fair number of Scots have. Uri Avnery suggested the Palestinians had been living there for up to 5000 years. There was a marvelous book available on the net for a short while about Arab history of the area. It went in quite a lot into the basic obvious signs of a relatively near Jewish Past. However that is not to say they all are descended from Jews or that they would need to be descended from Jews to have as all other people have the right to live in the country they are born into and their parents have lived in for as long as is known. It was I have read not uncommon for people to move out when work was needed and then to move back so please spare me the surname line.

OK from Mid East Web in 1922 after the Zionists had their Balfour Declaration there were 599,177 Muslims and 83,790 Jews both indigenous and European representing 73.84 and 11.14%of the population and this is when European Jews have already been moving there since the late 19th C.

The people with the history there are the people who have stayed their and lived there. I accept that is not how Israel sees it. Ilan Pappe, I think in the video I presented for you, spoke about how Israeli archeologists destroy all of the archeology from the past two thousand years, getting rid of the history of the Arabs until they come to something 2000 years ago or so with which they believe they can claim that they are the only people who have ever been there. A lot of this destruction of history was also done when the Palestinians were facing ethnic cleansing in 48 and Israel took all their books from their houses - though I believe some of them are housed in an Israeli Library. Israel has always wanted to destroy the history of the Palestinians, destroying 500 villages after the Israel had ethnically cleansed about half the Indigenous people.

quit the ad hommes. I am not even aware if there is such a thing.

Mema Jews were not as you claimed the majority of Jews in Palestine during the Mandate. The majority of Jews were very recent immigrants.

More ad hommes. You are the person who keeps giving them and you have not shown that anything I have said is not accurate.

It is true that when Jews like the Christians of the time started to give up religion, another method was needed to feed prejudice against them and that this moved to racism

https://www.britannica.com/topic/anti-Semitism

I don't think there was anything about Palestine in particular. It was the Christian Zionists who were eager for you to take over Palestine to fulfil what they believed their bible said. Hertz did not suggest Palestine. I believe and this was another one I got at Mid East Web though I think I may have read it other places as well, that it was the British Christian Zionists who got that idea going. They had been wanting to put all Jews in Israel since they got their bibles in the 16th C and thought that was what God wanted them to do. Napoleon was the first one to unsuccessfully try it.

and here you express what you have so much wanted to do in this post with your suggestion of 'ad homes' when none was there..you have got to identifying me with early 20th Century antisemites. This of course is yet another of your ad homes being expressed in a way you hope you can get away with on this forum. That you believe Europeans through time have a 'collective mind' says more about you than anyone else.​

here is what I posted and you claim is an ad homme

I accept that in the first sentence I criticised you for your attempt to avoid answering the question. It is the onlhy time in that post I personally even criticised you despite your continual accusations of ad homs.

You did indeed believe that you could dismiss this because you did not like the title. That maybe how they teach in Israel Schools but it is not how things work anywhere else. Just saying 'I don't like the title' in no way is a repudiation of what the book, with source after source said.

Ha ha. That never occured to me. The Author as I said is an Israeli intellectual. By looking at his name possibly a Russian Immigrant. As he is an intellectual there will be some reason he has written it this way and not written Jewish Zionists and the reason is obvious. There are Christian as well as Jewish Zionists and it is highly unlikely Israel would ever have become anything more than a glint in Hertz's eyes if this was not the case. He describes in the book the fight that the Zionists put to get themselves in the position of being 'the Jewish voice' and not allowing other Jewish projects which would have been more humane even for Survivors - for instance taking orphans out of the camps for rehabilitation, getting people moved to a new country to restart their lives. The fight for Zionism to take over the voice of Jews was going on throughout the war in the US as you can read in 'What Price Israel by' Lilienthal. Zionism was not populat among Jews before the war. Indeed as has been said elsewhere it was not until after the 67 war that American Jews starting supporting it. Max Blumenthal a few years ago put up a video which I saw, of an Ambassador, I cannot remember whether he was the Israeli to America or the American to Israel. The date was 66 or 67 probably 67. He said the one great thing he believed he had achieved was getting Americans to believe anti zionism was anitsemitism.

You have neither tried to repudiate anything I said in posts 329 and 330 or achieved it

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It's time those Jews went back to where they came from.

 

The Jews trashed that deal. The Oslo accords demanded the retreat of the IDF out of the occupied territories within 5 years. They are still there, while continuing to ethnically cleanse Palestinians to thieve their lands. And them places were included in the deal as something that still had to be negotiated about.

 

There won't be final negotiations, since the Jews are still going forth ethnically cleansing and thieving land from the Palestinians. That shows they have no interests at all in starting with that. They are content with their current war criminal policies.

 

Your dogma is showing. Nothing is black and white. When you see the
world like this then take warning you have lost the ability to see the gray
and the nuanced.
Under Oslo Israel offered 97% return of ALL West Bank land, PLUS more
land within Israel to make up for some large Jewish communities embedded
within the West Bank. This was rejected.
Offering the West Bank to DOUBLE its land would still be rejected.

As for "thieving" Gazan territory. Israel withdrew from ALL of Gaza and offered
Gaza extra land in the Negev. Gaza rejected this, too.

The real thievery lies with Arabs who demand ALL of Israel. The Palestinians
are the weaker party, how can they demand this of the stronger party? Answer,
by involving the whole world. The end result could be nuclear war. We came
close to this in 1967 and 1973.

 

How could Israel trash its own deal?
I believe what happened was there was a bad car accident in the West Bank.
Four Palestinians were killed in a crash with an Israeli vehicle. It proved a
timely excuse for the Palestinians to withdraw from the Oslo talks and begin
bombing buses and restaurants again. That's when the fence went up.

 

I just explained how and you're not responding to it.

 

"offering the WB land"? It's not Israeli! lol
You can't offer what aint yours

Israel still ethnically cleanses and thieves in the WB and East Jerusalem to expand the Jew state.

 

Let's take the city of Bethlehem, seeing how it's nearly Christmas.
Bethlehem was where King David came from, and the birth place
of Jesus.
It's a Jewish city.

HOW DID ARABS COME TO POSSESS BETHLEHEM?

 

Looks like the guy who Israel murdered and injured all these people for was one who they had on their hit list for a couple of years but it appears was simply being used for political means. 32 Palestinians were killed 11 of them children and over 100 injured.



Netanyahu Kills Palestinians to Keep Opposition From Forming Government

 

King David is a link chain of prophets who preceded Mohammed.
And can you tell me where it states that the Jew is able to claim fast amounts of real estate on religious/ethnic grounds?

 

Hamas pays young Gazans to riot near the border.
Every normal country shots on those who try to break their border with weapons.

 

Was away for a bit.

If you were not aware of the truce then you have not done your homework and need to get more informed on the topic.

"developing more precision missiles " ? you give no source for this claim.

Hammas/Hezbollah have never fired a precision missile into Israel - the rockets are the rough equivalent of a suped up firework.

To go from there to - an Iranian cruise missile - or something akin to what the Houthi's used in the attacks on Saudi Arabia .. has absolutely ZERO - to do with anything Al Ata was developing in his basement.

Your comment is rather absurd on this basis. Look - If Iran is supporting Hezbollah/Hamas (Islamic Jihad)- with anything constituting sophisticated military technology - as the fake news narrative claims - then they sure as heck have not used it.

I read or heard somewhere - quite some time ago that Hezbollah had a few "missiles" (as in not rockets) - if they have them - they have not been used. Even basic stuff - mortars, howitzers, stinger missiles various other military equipment that was flowing all over Syria/Iraq - has not been used.

The occupation that the term "Occupied Territories" refers to .. The Land that Israel has been stealing on a regular and continuous basis for the last 80 years ?

 

Certainly, the attempts by Iran to smuggle "dual use" resources into Gaza, including the same sort of rockets Iran
been smuggling into Lebanon under the noses of the UN, would help Gaza have such capability. Taking out some
of these "engineers" has helped delay the inevitable. No, not cruise missiles. Hezbollah doesn't have a "few missiles"
or "suped up fireworks" as you dismissively put it - Hezbollah has about 130,000 missiles.

We have a problem. The rise in anti-Semitism in the Western world could see a repeat of what happened in the Middle
East when 480,000 Jews were driven out of their ancient homes. Maybe it's time ALL Jews should go home to Palestine
and ALL Arabs should go back to the Arabian Peninsula?

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-...ockets-and-mortars-over-past-two-years-609544

Over 1,500 rockets and mortars have been fired towards Israel over the past year from the Hamas-run Gaza
Strip and over two dozen fired from Syria, a significant increase in the past four years.
According to numbers released by the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency), more than 2,600 rockets and mortars
have been fired over the past two years from Gaza. Over half were in the last year alone...
In late November 2018 over 500 rockets and mortars were fired towards southern Israel in the span of 48 hours,
including a Kornet anti-tank missile towards an empty IDF bus after a botched IDF commando raid in the southern
Gaza city of Khan Yunis.
In May 2019, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) launched 690 rockets and mortars towards Israel, again
over the span of less than 48 hours. While the large majority of the projectiles landed in open territory, 240 were
intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system and another 21 hit residential homes. One Kornet anti-tank
missile was fired towards a civilian car, killing the driver.
Following the targeted assassination of PIJ commander Bahaa abu al-Ata in November, the group fired over 400
rockets and mortars towards southern and central Israel in less than 50 hours.
In March 2019 militants fired over 60 rockets into southern Israel after Israel retaliated for a long-range missile
strike from Gaza which destroyed a civilian home some 120 km. away in the central Israeli community of
Mishmeret, injuring seven members of one family and a neighbor.

 

The rockets fired at Israel are essentially "suped up fireworks" They move in a predictable parabolic trajectory and there is no alteration of that trajectory after the rocket is fired. These are not sophisticated missiles and nor do they have a high payload.

The only reason this was mentioned was because of your unsupported nonsense claim that Al - Ata was targeted because he was working on some advanced missile technology.

You had no idea that there was a truce - and have displayed little knowledge of the conflict.

We have a problem in that the leaderaship in Israel keeps engaging in terrorism - breaking deals that it made - and continues to steal land from the Palestinians - all of which contributes to keeping this blood feud going.

This latest rocket attack was in response to terrorist activities provocation by Israel - as were many of the others.