Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?

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  1. DaveBN

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    So the fact that he was carrying out the policy of the US and the majority of the western world wouldn’t be considered necessary context for such a video? You can just admit it if you’re a hypocrite. I won’t think any less of you.
     
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    Your "sworn affidavit" was prepared for an Austrian Court, in support of saving Dimtry Firtash from extradition to the United States. Rudy just obtained a copy. I'd be willing to bet good money that it was from his Russian-Ukrainian "associates."
    And, you failed to answer my question regarding Israeli politics.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know what fishing expedition you are talking about. Trump and company got caught.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Biden forced out the corrupt prosecutor. But then, as things about Trump keep coming out, that is the way Trump and company likes them, corrupt.
     
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    Why are you defended an outed corrupt public official? I sometimes refer to conservative ideas as being backwards, but this is really backwards. Corruption is good, apparently, in conservative land.
     
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    Stop projecting your "qualities" onto me. LOL @ "US policy".
    You are playing the apologist in denial.
     
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    In Trump's April 21 phone call and his July 25 phone call, he never mentioned Ukrainian corruption.
     
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    Today Trump refused to answer questions from reporters about the impeachment hearings, but he spoke for over 50 minutes on "Fox and Friends." In the interview he declared "I want a trial," referring to a Senate trial if the House passes Articles of Impeachment.
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    He then provided a list of witnesses in his Senate trial. The list included the whistleblower, Adam Schiff, Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden.

    Conspicuous by their absence are witnesses close to Trump and close to the issues surrounding Ukraine and the July 25 phone call. Absent are Mick Mulvaney, director of the OMB, the agency that withheld the military aid to Ukraine. Also, SecState Mike Pompeo is missing, and he was the boss of many of the witnesses who appeared in the hearings. Absent also is John Bolton, the fired NSA and the person most knowledgeable of the events surrounding the July 25 phone call. Also missing is Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer who played a key role in the Ukrainian controversy.

    If Trump is innocent like he says he is, and the call was "perfect" then, hypothetically, these witnesses could tell their story and prove Trump was, indeed, innocent.

    However, Trump does not want these people to appear at his Senate trial. Why? They have first hand knowledge of Trump's wants and desires ... and the motivation.

    That's why.
     
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    Despite a preponderance of evidence of Trump's deceit and abuse of power, it would be a mistake for the House to impeach Trump.

    The ultimate purpose of impeachment is to remove a person from office. Passing an Articles of Impeachment and a Senate trial is enormously divisive. The ultimate result of an impeachment is that it would tear our country apart.

    The ultimate goal of Democrats, in one form or another, is to remove Trump from office. Many observers feel that would not be accomplished if the House passed Articles of Impeachment.

    Why? One reason is the Democrats would be doing exactly what Trump wanted them to do, or so he says. He wants a Senate trial. He thinks it is his only chance to win reelection because everything he has done has turned sour. His forlorn accomplishments would include a failed Middle East policy, the lunacy of freeing up Iran to resume her nuclear research, his retreat in Syria which enhanced Russian interests in the pivotal Middle East, and his months long trade war with China which resulted in higher prices and a stagnant Wall Street from Jan. 2018 through Oct. 2019. The stock market only now is beginning to recover because analysts think Trump's trade war is coming to an end.

    Another reason is, Americans are not behind impeachment. For impeachment to be successful, it would require an overwhelming support of Americans, somewhere in the area of 85 to 95%. Then Republicans in the Senate would listen.

    Which brings us to the third reason why impeachment will fail. Many Republicans think what Trump did in Ukraine was inappropriate, but not a reason to remove him from office. Many disagree, thinking that a Presidential request for foreign interference in our Presidential election does warrant removal from office. They would ask Republicans, is foreign interference in our elections now acceptable? Apparently it is for Republicans because they are not breaking ranks. As things stand right now, not one Republican would vote to remove Trump from office.

    So, what is the point of impeaching Trump? The best chance Democrats have of removing Trump from office is to continue to question his honesty and competence. Trump is an extremely unpopular President. They should feed on that, and maybe they will win next November.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Impeachment for obstruction of justice and witness tampering, there is no evidence Trump committed perjury while with Clinton they had it dead to rights, prima facie.
     
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    Non-sequitur

    She received standard copyrights on the products she sells there as she has always done and every as business that sells products in other countries obtain just as foreign companies do here when they sell products. She didn't receive any direct payments for doing nothing. Your whataboutism is not require to investigate Hunter Biden.
     
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    There is no pathway to impeach for obstruction and witness tampering other than another transparent partisan attack by the dems. Independents hate that and would ensure trump wins in 2020
     
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    Then she and her husband should have no problem with being investigated, right? Biden's son sat on the board of a foreign corporation. Trump's daughter and his son-in-law sit in the White House.
     
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    No probable cause to investigate and another non-sequitur.
     
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    We'll see. won 't we?
     
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    This!
     
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    No...you are spinning a false narrative. The prosecutor was NOT investigating corruption and was himself suspected of corruption. Western countries and international organizations being called upon to provide Ukraine with loans and aid insisted he (Viktor Shokin) be removed from office before they would supply aid. Biden never held-up the aid, but only threatened to do so, speaking for the Obama administration. The combination of Western pressures led to his dismissal by the Parliament of Ukraine.
     
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    Agreed.

    People are assuming that the only suspicious activity Trump was aware of, was Hunter working for Burisma, and Joe Biden blackmailing Ukraine to fire Ukraine's criminal prosecutor who was actively investigating Burisma.

    Perhaps Trump also was aware of this: Hunter Biden-linked company received $130M in special federal loans while Joe Biden was vice president

    Or this: Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed Obama administration to end corruption allegations, memos show

    Or this: February 2016 State Department memos released under FOIA showing efforts by Karen Tramontano to seek a meeting about Burisma corruption allegations.

    Or this: Hunter Biden obtained his seat on BHR’s board when the firm was founded in 2013. He traveled to China on Air Force Two in December 2013 and arranged for Joe Biden to shake hands with the CEO of BHR.

    And who knows how much else surrounding the sweet deals Hunter was receiving while his daddy was the US point man for US Diplomatic Relations with Ukraine and China??
     
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    Simple. Because it was a bad idea for Trump, but a good idea for the people. I doubt he asked anyone's opinion, as it was simply the right thing to do. This president has a history of working for the people, even if it hurts him. Speaking of which, did Donald Trump have a better life before he ran for president or now? The answer is obvious and that is why it always cracks me up when someone says he did some political thing for his own advancement.
     
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    They were investigating Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky, so this is where people shorten it up by saying Burisma.

    The man who was fired, and these three Americans disagree with you. Report: Affidavit From Ukrainian Prosecutor Says Joe Biden Wanted Him Out Over Burisma Investigation

    Burisma’s American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the country’s chief prosecutor and offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutors, according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting. The effort to secure that meeting began the same day the prosecutor's firing was announced.
     
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    The entire Trump-Russia collusion scam was one giant fishing expedition. Mueller did not even validate why Comey and the FBI were investigating Trump & company.

    Not one shred of evidence was uncovered that showed anyone was colluding with the Russians, which undid all the excuses made by Comey to grab FISA warrants to spy on Americans. Hence the justification for starting the DOJ IG FISA warrant investigations.

    Trump caught doing what, inquiring about possible instances of corruption by the Bidens?
     
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    Another laugh. Trump observes Biden bragging about blackmailing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. Trump thinks it smacks of possible corruption and has it looked into... and it's suddenly Trump who is corrupt? LOL
     
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    What three "American legal representatives?" Are you claiming your "affidavit" is NOT the deposition submitted to the Austrian Court on behalf of Dmitry Firtash?
     
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    Karen Tramontano, Sally Painter and John Buretta. Their names should have been in a memo from a link in that article I linked
     
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    "Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?"

    Cause everyone knows Trump has such a fragile ego that anyone disagreeing with him on anything is not tolerated
     

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