Ohio bill orders doctors to ‘reimplant ectopic pregnancy’ or face 'abortion murder' charges

If birth were the option there would be no debate. Pro choice is the generic term for supporting abortion. You may call me pro birth if you like, I am.

 

Only women get pregnant.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Why do you think only women who get "tipsey and frisky at a party" are the only women who have unwanted pregnancies???

If you think she is unable to make choices for herself why would you want her to be a parent ?

Why do you think only women who get "tipsey and frisky at a party" are the only women who have unwanted pregnancies???

If you think she is unable to make choices for herself why would you want her to be a parent ?

 

Some grow up. Even when they do only women get pregnant.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Why do you think only women who get "tipsey and frisky at a party" are the only women who have unwanted pregnancies???

If you think she is unable to make choices for herself why would you want her to be a parent ?

 

Abstinence is not natural. Expecting everyone to stop having sex is one of the most ridiculous notions ever.

Education works.
Available contraception works.

 

Of course not. Good analogy, proving my point that my body is none of the government's business.

But if the evangelical right has their way, tubal ligations could well become illegal. I'm willing to bet that they don't care about vasectomies, though. Male autonomy is a god-given right, but that right to autonomy doesn't apply to women.

 

Are there not, in fact, more births than abortions? There are, by a more than 5-1 margin. Therefore pro choice heavily favors birth over abortion. Pro life, on the other hand, is really just anti abortion or they'd support family planning and it's prenatal and post birth programs and contraceptive ones. More than 140,000 abortions a year are prevented by FP out of more than 400,000 unintended pregnancies averted. Since they don't pro lifer's are simply anti abortion, why are they ashamed to admit it?

 

Why would they care about tubal ligations? The dispute is not over what you do with your own body it's about what is inside and how society sees it and deals with it. Those who see it as an individual life will never see it otherwise so the battle rages.

 

Why are you being so obtuse? You know as well as I do that abortion is the issue and not some generic 'choice'.

 

That's what some have been trying to tell you.

"Choice" in "Pro-Choice" is not generic, it refers to the choice between gestation or abortion and nothing else.

 

And we ignore the fact that a woman's right to give birth is not in dispute. The issue is when the choice is abortion.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
That's what some have been trying to tell you.

"Choice" in "Pro-Choice" is not generic, it refers to the choice between gestation or abortion and nothing else.

Who is ignoring it ?.....it doesn't enter into the dispute.

If there is only one option there is no CHOICE.

 

There are two and a half options.

Don't have sex, give birth, or use birth control (which when properly utilized is effective 90% of the time).

 

Why would they care? Ask the Catholics ... their doctrine is no contraceptives, period.

As for how society sees and deals with my body: screw that. It's none of their effing business. That's the whole point of the Roe v Wade decision. It's about personal privacy. As a woman I have just as much right to that privacy as a man, but the Christian right thinks it should be their business. Sorry, but that's simply wrong.

 

It's dishonest because it's not a woman's health issue.

 

living endangerous your life

So why can't we have assisted suicide?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
If there is only one option there is no CHOICE.

No, for about the thousandth time, "Pro-Choice" refers to, and only to, whether a woman chooses abortion or gestation.

Now, since you've been told this many times I feel that you just don't like that and want to make it something else.


It isn't anything else.

And you have seen all the arguments against the ridiculous crap about "not having sex".

You have been told forcing women to gestate is just plain wrong.

And NO one obligated to use BC and BC can fail.




.

 

That's why I only counted it as a "half" option.

It's still there tho.

 

COMPLETE UNCHERRY PICKED POST :

, for about the thousandth time, "Pro-Choice" refers to, and only to, whether a woman chooses abortion or gestation.

Now, since you've been told this many times I feel that you just don't like that and want to make it something else.


It isn't anything else.

And you have seen all the arguments against the ridiculous crap about "not having sex".

You have been told forcing women to gestate is just plain wrong.

And NO one obligated to use BC and BC can fail.

for about the thousandth time, "Pro-Choice" refers to, and only to, whether a woman chooses abortion or gestation.

Now, since you've been told this many times I feel that you just don't like that and want to make it something else.


It isn't anything else.


It isn't about what she had for breakfast or what she decided to wear to work or whether she wanted to watch football or anything else...


Why is this so hard to understand....????

 

Sleep Monster said: ↑
How so?

When you go to the doctor, do you have to disclose to anyone your reasons for seeing a doctor? Are there laws requiring you to report your medical condition to the government? How would you feel if there were such laws?

Roe v Wade is not about abortion. It's about our right to privacy. A woman's pregnancy is no one's business but her own and she has no obligation to report her condition to anyone. It's between her and her medical provider, and medical providers are bound by doctor-patient privilege.

Don't like abortion? Don't have one. But no one has the right to make that decision for anyone else, under any circumstances.

Why couldn't you answer that poster's questions?

...and WHY do you think pregnant women see a doctor if it isn't about "health" ???

Doctors do abortions so, gee whiz, must be a HEALTH issue....

 

Doctors don't do abortions because of health.

 

"Beau" is an anarchist and a bit of an idiot about things. And you do realize this southern persona is an act right

 

Well, Down Here I know nothing about him, but what he said made perfectly logical, common, and medical sense.

And as an aside....look at how this very specific Thread has morphed into tne usual abortion get nowhere standoff. Schitts me, large.

 

It never gets anywhere like most conversations here because the posters have enormous egos and severely lack self-awareness.

You don't come here to hear about people's opinions do you care about the rationale. You come here to preach and evangelize. I seem to recall several conversations where you did exactly that.

So it's really kind of hypocritical for you to point this out if you're going to contribute to the problem.