The Defense Rests: GOP Leaders Reportedly Considering Not Calling a Single Witness

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  1. ronv

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    Isn't that what trials are for?
    That's what will happen in the Senate in January.
     
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    Not even subjective
     
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    Yup and Then and only then will we know of he's a bank robber.
     
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    No FISA on Page without the bogus dossier.
    The IG agreed that the alleged ‘errors’ were inexplicable.
    The IG did not look into the start of the spying but on process.
    It was so bad in the FBI that he is starting investigations in other departments.

    So, either the FBI worked in bad faith or it is totally incompetent. Which is it?
     
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    He tried to get a foreign government to announce an investigation against his domestic political rival.

    The democrats are not.
     
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    Trump did.
     
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    No, the argument is not spurious at all.

    The entire reason the judicial branch exists is to ensure actions taken by the other two branches are constitutional, and to act as a referee, in effect.

    If the POTUS decided he had the power to declare war, and declared war on Macedonia....who could stop him? Clearly this is a power of Congress and not the Executive.

    Answer: SCOTUS would slap down the executive.

    If the POTUS decided to write an executive order revoking Nancy Pelosi's citizenship....who would stop him? Clearly this is a power of the POTUS, but it is not Constitutional and would be stopped by the courts.

    Impeachment is no different.

    Yes, impeachment is the power of Congress. If that power is used UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, it is no different than an EO that is unConstitutional.

    An enumerated power, regardless of what that power is, still must adhere to the guidelines of the Constitution.
     
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    You are ignoring the Horowitz conclusions that the investigation was legally justified and not motivated by political bias.
     
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    Trump's use of a shadow diplomatic effort to indirectly pressure Ukraine into announcing an investigation against his domestic political opponent is part of the scheme alleged in the Abuse of Power article of impeachment.
     
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    So? He is president that's what they can do. He blew the whistle on corruption and the Democrats are once again pissed that they got their hand caught in the cookie jar once again


    The Democrats are trying to assassinate a political rival because they are affraid of a fair vote from 300 million plus citizens.
     
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    It's not an abuse of power to get information on corruption by a Vice president.
     
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    Presidents CAN cheat in an election, but they can also be impeached for doing such.

    No one is trying to assassinate Trump.
     
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    Trump did not want information on corruption. He failed to even say the word "corruption."

    He wanted an announcement of an investigation because that would benefit him politically.
     
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    They are politically assassinating Trump, they are trying to cheat in an election by removing him from being eligible.
     
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    How many times have Trump said drain the swamp?


    Its obvious he was trying to root out corruption by the VP
     
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    Incorrect. Trump wad was trying to get to the bottom of 2016 corruption.. not influence 2020
     
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    Not assassination, not a coup, not cheating.
     
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    And that's why he held up aid to Ukraine - for the first time - in 2019 after releasing that aid in 2017 and 2018?
     
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    Thanks for repeating my point.
     
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    New government. Duh.
     
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    One of the GOP members called the decision to vote on the articles at 10 am today instead of midnight last night as "Stalinesque."

    Would you like to take a stab at explaining that allegation?
     
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