McConnell and White House counsel agree to coordinate impeachment trial plans

Please - desperately cling to that straw.

 

What “straw” is that?
The secret vote procedure?

 

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor,

The disqualification for holding public office is conjoined with and to the removal from office.

 

The one where you believe there's a chance the Senate will remove Trump.

 

Well, we know one thing for sure. Trump won't release any administration documents to prove his innocence. They will incriminate him more.

He won't call any of his close associates -- Mulvaney, Pompeo, Perry, Esper, Giuliani -- to prove his innocence. They know what happened, and they will incriminate him more.

Trump's supporters should think about that. If Trump is innocent of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, why isn't he calling those close to him to prove his innocence? Why are his loyal Republican defenders in the Senate not approving of those witnesses and those documents?

Or Trump's supporters just don't care. They know they voted for a jerk. They know they voted for a guilty jerk. So what?

 

I never said there is a chance, I don’t believe it will happen.
That is a strawman of your own making.
Will likely be close though.

 

Heh.
Define "close".

 

Trump will remain your President until at least January 2021, and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

A review of a tiny fraction of the evidence against Trump. Trump fans have tendency to forget.

Asking a foreign power to intervene in our Presidential election for his benefit is abuse of power. So is bribery.

“I would like you to do us a favor, though.”

This is from the transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky. It was provided by the White House. The following is a quote from Trump.

Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

“What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted a reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied [Trump's chief of staff] Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled down on the Biden investigation. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

“If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

“They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html

Obstruction of Congress. Are you saying Trump cooperated fully with the impeachment proceedings? Which planet are you from.

 

Why is it Trump's fans consistently prove my point?

 

Bless your heart.

 

Trump ain’t guilty, that’s what the Senate decides. History will not shine brightly on the dem clown show.

 

Again, was there a crime in there somewhere? Can you perhaps cite the federal code that makes it a crime for a president to negotiate or work for the benefit of the US in dealings with foreign leaders? Oh, wait, you can't, but you've provided some anecdotal citations because they seem to annoy you. And frankly, that's the best you have. So, when you get down to it, you have nothing but a bunch of frothing democrats who are pissed because Biden has been exposed in a way that your media couldn't otherwise control and he's likely going to not make the cut at the convention. And that pisses of democrats who thought they could rely on the sympathy vote and now cannot. The efforts of democrats here are likely criminal, read treasonous. But you're super ok with that because you can't stand the idea that your dream of universal autocracy isn't going to happen now. Yes we see through the BS.

 

That is incorrect. In 1862 and 1913, the Senate disqualified judges West Humphreys and Robert Archbald with simple majority.

 

I expect between 10%-15% from the needed number.

 

They never fail to disappoint.

 

Heh. OK.

 

A senator cannot vote "absent" they have to actually BE absent. If they are there then they are required to vote either "guilty", "not guilty" or "abstain"...and a vote for abstaining is a vote against impeachment. And Democrats will not be absent, they need all the votes that they can get if they want to remove Trump. If anything they have to hope that there are Republicans who cannot make it. But even that is in question because from what I understand there is a requirement that ALL Senators must attend unless they are extremely sick.

 

If there aren't enough Republicans there, McConnell will postpone the vote.

 

There's that too. The Senate can change the rules at any time in the process with a simple majority vote.

 

The senate can dismiss the charges with a simple majority vote.

 

They could. Not sure if they will, but yes, they could. I don't think they will though. Optics matter a lot here and Republicans are quite aware of the optics of such a dismissal based along party lines. I think that there's more going on here than Repubs and Trump have let on. Though I have seen hints.

 

Well, why should one side be fixed? Why not both sides be fixed? Or better yet, if impeachment were to be used as a political attack(which it is being used as), why not simply CAMPAIGN on it and have the voters decide? Maybe, just maybe Democrats would win 2020.

Trump being convicted and removed allows him to truly embrace martyr status among those who believe that he's not guilty of a crime. I, for example, impeachment has essentially used all of the Democrats political capital. You wanted him impeached and removed? You got him impeached and removed, but that means I'm under no obligation for medicare for all, or any of the other pet project items.

 

Nothing screwy about the accused in a trial "coordinating" with the Jury.

Nahhhh

 

And now you know why Democrats want Moscow Mitch to recuse himself!!!