The Electoral College achieved what the Framers feared most

At the time the Electoral College was created we still had not licked the Indian problem yet; we would fight the pesky British again 25 years later in the War of 1812; and only a few schools were scattered around the Original Thirteen States. Today there is a school in nearly every urban and suburban neighborhood and multiple colleges in nearly every city. Most Americans in 1787 were farmers who could care less about the ABC's. Their main concern was putting food on the table, which is not much of a concern for Americans today.

The Electoral College was created during a long dead time, totally unrelated to conditions today. It was created by the Framers who did not trust uneducated rabble to select the President. They envisioned electors who supposedly knew what they were doing. The result, in 2016, our worst fears were realized when Donald J. Trump was elected.

Allow me to explain. First, there is this interesting statistic. Trump's job approval rating among non-college educated whites is 67%. https://news.gallup.com/poll/205832/race-education-gender-key-factors-trump-job-approval.

Non-college educated whites literally chose our President in 2016. Part of the reason is that approximately 100 million voters either stayed home or wasted their vote in protest. Approximately 63 million Americans voted for Trump, and he lost the popular vote by three million.

Second, essentially, the electors are chosen by the popular vote in each state.

California has a population of 40 million and has 55 electoral votes. Montana has a population of 1.06 million and has three electoral votes. When one does the math it means the non-college educated farmer in Montana has 2.17 votes in the Electoral College for every vote a teacher, lawyer, scientist, and doctor has in California.

In varying degrees, the same is true in the rural areas of Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, and North and South Carolina. In addition, it appears that Trump has attracted the support of anarchists, bigots, and angry citizens.

And so we have a President who today is about to be impeached because he asked for foreign intervention in our election and used bribery as an incentive. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...r-not-to-impeach-that-is-the-question.563381/

We have a President whose foreign policy is a threat to our national security. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/america-can-no-longer-be-trusted.564050/

And we have a President who recently verbally attacked a 16-year old girl with autism who is concerned about climate change, indicating the state of mind of said President..

Put a different way, the Electoral College realized our worst fear in a Presidential election that would have been prevented by the popular vote.

It was the only mistake the Framers made.

 

What a farcical pile. Without the Electoral College, the Constitution would have never been ratified. It's really that simple, and that isn't even close to being debatable. The only debatable thing is how quickly the United States would DISSOLVE if the Electoral College were replaced, but that it -would- dissolve is also not debatable.

They want to pack the big, dirty, corrupt blue cities with illegals, not require ANY ID to vote, so that when they can't mass up enough permanent dependents comprised of undesirables from the world over to win, they can simply do the same kind of ballot and other fraud that Democrats have specialized in since Tammany. But don't worry folks, the EC isn't going -anywhere-.

Then more crapola about the "non college educated." Trump WON college educated whites. Trump WON two of the top four income hexiles, tied on one and lost one. Democrats, as usual, won the bottom two income hexiles convincingly. Income correlates more strongly with intelligence and true education than the junk paper gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer MSM Complex DO NOTHINGS obtain to get a pay bump the private sector doesn't get. That is the SOLE reason the Complex has more degrees than the private sector, and that they vote Democrat due to being "more educated" or "more intelligent" is a lie narrative. They vote Democrat due to financial self-interest.

But instead of simply admitting that self-interest like honest people, they hide behind any number of ridiculous, divisive lie narratives on wealth, race, gender, income, and in this case imaginary defects in the taxpayers who didn't vote to have more than the INSANE amounts already extracted by Complex PARASITES.

Trump's base is simply the taxpayers of the private sector who are fed up with the growth, corruption, greed, dishonesty, incompetence, immense expense of the monstrous gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex CRIME FAMILY of corrupt politicians, bent nose public union creeps and thugs, gov-edu indoctrination camps, grafty gov contractors and grantees, reptilian trial lawyers and the despicable MSM lie-factory. You certainly don't need a college degree to see that for what it is.

Rest of OP is typical, preposterously dishonest to the point of needing not much reply. Greta Thunberg is a weaponized political -BUSINESS- not a child with autism who just "happened" into MSM. WHO THE F DO YOU THINK YOU ARE FOOLING? Or do you think you are buying the car insurance from a talking, green lizard?

Trump made rational inquiries into the typical foreign graft troughs Democrats specialize in and have since the rotten, corrupt party's existence, the American voter sees that well and good. But THANKS again for making the true face of your party known to all, the slimy puppets, the Schiffs, Nadlers, Schumers, and not the hollow suit Obama type backslappers you try to fool the public with. Not fooling anyone any more, and it's about time.

 

Just like all of the other things you complain about - there's nothing you can do about it.

 

Tell us about your education so we can be envious of your intellectual prowess, genius.

 

Trump is the president -- get over it.

 

You mean when "your" worst fears. My worst fears was Hilary. The EC saved us.

 

Indeed - the 2016 election is an example of the EC working as intended.

 

This is how Trump responded to the Speaker of the House. He responded Sunday to a video clip of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) posted by Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.).



Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump


Because Nancy’s teeth were falling out of her mouth, and she didn’t have time to think! https://twitter.com/repmarkmeadows/status/1205338371104690177 …

Mark Meadows ✔ @RepMarkMeadows

Because it wasn’t true https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1205334024853557248 …

2:11 PM - Dec 15, 2019

 

That is quite possible. However, the opening paragraph of the OP is also true.
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I am sure you meant in the 18th Century. Certainly not today. Also, I am sure you meant removed, not replaced. The President is the only government official not chosen by the American people. Why? It is called democracy. In a democracy, the citizens have the right to chose who governs them ... except for the President.

Source and link? Simply contradicting the opening analysis is meaningless.

In addition, it appears that Trump has attracted the support of anarchists, bigots, and angry citizens.

In addition, it appears that Trump has attracted the support of anarchists, bigots, and angry citizens.

 

Educational NEWSFLASH! we are not a democracy.

 

Boo hoo.

 

Ha Ha! Poor ol Sandy, Trump is HIS president.

 

When it comes to academics, yeah that distinction matters. To everyday people? Might as well be. Even then, not much of a distinction has to be made. You can generally use them interchangably.

 

In a democracy the mob rules, there is no EC. We are a republic even if the uneducated doesn't know it. I get your point though.

 

I see that point but then the issue is the EC is tied to the popular vote which would mean the mob does rules in a very indirect way. I get what you're saying though and it's an important distinction. But for all intents and purposes it's not a big one.

 

You didn't mention that the EC is tied to the popular vote in the district that the elector represents. It matters, a lot!

 

Do I have to in order to make my point? I just have to establish the role of the mob in how the EC works, and that should do the trick.

 

Do what you feel you need to do, you already know shillary won the popular vote (nationwide) and the result is?

 

The result is the second time in 20 years the EC has denied the presidency to the candidate that has won the popular vote. I worry it's a reoccurring trend, and if so then it calls into question how democratic the U.S. is.

 

It's time to bust the myth: Most Trump voters were not working ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com › news › monkey-cage › 2017/06/05 › its-t...
Jun 5, 2017 - Trump voters were actually pretty affluent. ... Far from being a magnet for the less educated, Trump seemed to have about as many people ...

 

Here I thought we agreed that the U.S. isn't democratic?

 

Its not worrying because going off the popular vote is a bad idea. The EC does a good job balancing small states vs big states voting power.

 

Democracy means the people have a say in government and how it's organized. A republic is a specific form of democracy where the role of citizens is to decide who is sent to represent them. It's why Rousseau thought the British people lost their shackles during an election but regained them after they voted. It's a democracy, just a particular version of it.

 

Really? Why does that distinction matter? Why should the little states fear being swallowed up by the big states?

 

I now suspect you don't live in the U.S. Forgive me if I am wrong.