Looming Disaster - Trump Inching The USA Closer to Another War

Non sequitur, you've said nothing worth anything.

I doubt it would help, you actually believe you understand the Constitution and what you do is mostly post fallacies. But if you really need another.

Us??? Speak for yourself, you are not an "us". You see I already explained it to you and you obviously have no clue. The Constitution explicitly grants specific powers to the 3 branches and the 10th Amendment explicitly denies all powers to the 3 branches not explicitly granted by the Constitution, those belong to the states or The People. But you would know that if you simply read the 10th Amendment. As such, the US government has no authority to engage in any conflict without a declaration of war and can only declare war to protect/defend the individual rights of The People, which is its primary responsibility, their raison d'etre (see the Declaration of Independence, our founding document).

Wait all you want, I merely exposed your lack of understanding of the Constitution, the above are not mentioned in the Constitution. The power to declare war is granted to Congress and so is the power to defend all individual rights. That means Congress cannot use its granted powers to violate individual rights, it can only act strictly for the purpose of defending/protecting individual rights. If that's the point you're waiting for.

You're welcome for lesson #2. Lesson #3?

 

The congress declared war in 2001. Any authorization by the congress of a war is tantamount to a declaration of war. The difference between the two is purely semantic. In any case, congressional authorization is what the constitution requires. That hasn't stopped being the law just because Trump is the president. Ironic when you consider that Trump himself said, during his presidential campaign, that the president needs approval from congress to go to war.

 

What does that have to do with the principles of republicanism ? or not being a Conservative ?

That is like saying someone who is against abortion is not a conservative.

One does not need to be Blue to see that our healthcare system is broken - Obamacare was lipstick on a pig - did not address any of the systemic issues with our system of healthcare extortion.

So while one can claim supporting Obamacare was dumb - anti conservative even - that claim only has merit if one has a plan to the contrary that addresses the systemic issues - and the right does not.

 

Congress never declared war in 2001





The last time Congress passed joint resolutions saying that a "state of war" existed was on June 5, 1942, when the U.S. declared war on Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania. Since then, the US has used the term "authorization to use military force," as in the case against Iraq in 2003.

Wikipedia › wiki › Declaration_of_...
Declaration of war - Wikipedia

 

yes, I think that you have posted the possibilities that are less obvious as people hyperventilate about how we will kick their but if they “try anything”. As you have intimated, the possibilities for asymmetric attack are virtually endless.... such asymmetric attacks would be difficult to protect against, could potentially be very disruptive, and in many cases would be extremely difficult to attribute blame....

if we militarily attack Iran in response, they would likely shut down the straight of Hormuz.... crippling global oil supply... and in turn causing a global economic conflagration.

Bottom line, it is not going to be a battle where our military crushes their military, and then we go home and have a ticker tape victory parade.

 

Sorry, regardless of one's position on whether the strike was strategically wise, that it was unlawful abuse of POTUS military powers is a non-starter.

As to your "points," the Tenth Amendment is sadly toothless and has been for decades. Don't like that? Take it up with SCOTUS, not the sitting President. The SCOTUS "modifies" the Constitution via interpretation and review powers regularly, has been doing so for centuries now. See "Necessary and Proper," see "Commerce Clause," see "5th Amendment Takings," see half of the mid 20th century SCOTUS cases and dozens if not hundreds of others.

The POTUS has very broad authority to conduct many kinds of military operations in the ME and elsewhere as actions appealing to the 2001 Congressional Authorization of Military Force by the last three Administrations attest together with the Treasury Designation provided above by hoosier8. I don't like that, but it is irrefutable legal fact until SCOTUS deigns to hear a case or Congress decides to rework, limit or repeal the Authorization. Note how many of the actions in the list below were not pursuant to a declaration of war or specific grant of congressional authority.

Here is the wiki article that includes the text of the Authorization that has been used as a blank check in the ME by the last several Administrations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

Here is a list of historical military actions of the U.S.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

Please do continue with the ORANGEMANBAD "demented dictator" stuff, though, it is howlingly funny.

 

How are they going to shut it down, when we always have a air craft carrier strike groups in the region?

That's why we have such a huge navy , for war and to protect the world's shipping lanes.




U.S. Navy Ship Saves Iranians From Pirates : NPR
Jan 6, 2012 · The U.S. ship, part of the USS Stennis carrier battle group, ... Then the Navy followed them back to an Iranian fishing ...



Reuters › article › u-s-aircraft-ca...
U.S. aircraft carrier strike group sails through Strait of Hormuz - Reuters
Nov 19, 2019 · WASHINGTON ( Reuters) - The U.S. aircraft carrier strike group Abraham Lincoln sailed through the vital ...




The New York Times
For Iranians Held by Pirates, U.S. to the Rescue

Jan 6, 2012 · They were then shuttled by helicopter to the aircraft carrier and ... Todd W. Malloy, the carrier strike group's chief of staff

 

Feel free to explain the effective and legal difference between a declaration of war and an authorization for war.

 

A huge difference between declaring war and police action, another term to make it sound less scary by the Democrats, Congress will never declare war again

 

How did that work when they snatched the oil tanker?

 

Which one and who's are you talking about?

 

Whatever that means. For me the Constitution IS the starter, for all you bendover people out there, you're absolutely correct, it's only a gddam piece of paper.

Just the 10th Amendment? From what I've learned for over 7 decades, the entire Constitution is sadly toothless and has been for over 2 centuries, probably beginning the day after it was ratified or definitely since Marbury v Madison (1803).

That's a joke right? I can't do what the Declaration suggests (see my signature) all by myself but if I could, it would be with all 3 branches. Unfortunately, most people are just like you, certainly not like me.

I'm fully aware that SCOTUS seized powers never granted to it by the Constitution, that's why I brought up Marbury v Madison.

I've seen and read plenty, thanks anyway, you haven't enlightened me one bit but nice try.

Yes, that's what dictators do. That's why there's a Constitution, to (try to) prevent dictatorships.

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first." - Thomas Jefferson (author of our founding document)

That's incorrect, it is irrefutable ILLEGAL fact. The Constitution IS what's legal, everything else is (mostly) unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

No it's terribly sad and disgusting but for you it's quite amusing and I fully understand. We have this seriously bankrupt thing running our pretend government because there are far too many people just like you. Good job, keep it up and see where it gets you.

 

The power to declare war was given to the congress, not the president. The only time the president may direct military action absent congressional approval is when it is defensive in nature. But the president must actually demonstrate to the congress that the actions are indeed defensive. It is now up to the congress to determine whether or not Trump's stated rationale was true or just another lie. For once, the congress has a perfectly legitimate and constitutional pretext to investigate the president in order to determine what happened and why. Unfortunately, the congress has wasted so much political capital and energy on investigating nonsense like "Russian collusion" and "Ukraine quid pro quo".

 

So explain the difference. Legally, practically, ethically.

 

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How can you prove it to Congress if its defensive if you only have 12 minutes to decide?

 

So is that why Ambassador Stevens lost his life because Obama wanted to consult with 535 members of Congress, have three weeks of hearings and then decide to defend him?

 

It's 2020. We can communicate and coordinate instantaneously across vast distances. In any case, there is historical precedent for providing the president with some latitude to conduct defensive military operations without immediately consulting the congress. However, the operations having concluded, it is now incumbent upon Trump to demonstrate to the congress, using evidence as proof, that his actions were indeed defensive. This needs to be investigated immediately. And the congress needs to determine what basis, if any, existed at the time Trump launched this attack.

 

Ambassador Stevens died because Obama waged an unauthorized war in Libya. Ironic that you would use that as an example in support of your position.

 

Young Americans are calling their draft boards in record numbers!!

 

Oh stop it a Russian nuclear sub missile can destroy New York or los Angeles in under 12 minutes, 40 minutes from Russia.


In Baghdad trump put troops on the embassy in 13 minutes I read


You are not going to find crazy Maxine waters getting her wig done in los angels or AOC dancing around a roof top in that much time let alone much less 532 remaing Congress members..


They all could be dead. From a nuke strike or terrorist attack on Congress

That's why the executive branch has these powers, shoot first ask questions later, the president was voted in from the peoples and states choice 270

 

Trump just bagged one of the biggest terrorist of all time !!
Iran is frozen now and they are falling off the Falls with no boat or life jacket
Time to shrike again for trump

 

This is a mega blow and Iran is In solid ice sheets

 

Were you concerned about these 2,800 looming disasters?

FLASHBACK: Obama launches 2,800 strikes on Iraq, Syria without congressional approval
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-syria-without-congressional-approval.566399/

 

Trump is winning again

His ending catch and release