A U.S. Invasion Of Iran Would Be Suicidal

Trump supporters have a habit of making such accusations. This was Trump's choice, I have no problem with it. But now the Iraqi parliament has voted USA troops out. If we are required to leave, it will compound our issues to fight Al Qaeda and ISIS. This is the consequences of his actions.

 

The USG has been stuck up the KSA forever. Probably started with Aramco, and an entrenched corrupt ruling political class is seldom ever able to acknowledge and correct its errors.

 

LOL! Do you really think the "military industrial complex" is a "conspiracy theory"? Tell the truth.

 

I repeat, there will be no invasion of Iran.

 

I think you use talking points as a substitute for factual analysis and thought.

 

No doubt about it. The bush family has ties going way back . Its about the oil and elites making mega bucks Dont know what the current deal is but the Saudis started out getting 30 percent .

 

I agree, republican mishandled Afghanistan and Iraq, I hope they learned from that, just airstrikes if we do this, nothing more - Americans do not want another 10+ year war

 

Let’s extend your “green glass” idea....
We turn Iran into green glass, then what?
Imo, we would then have the same international moral credibility as the Nazis
And, if someone care to send a covert nuke into NY harbor.... people would think that we got what we deserved. Once you let the genie out of the bottle, there is no telling telling the direction that events will careen.

Actually, the fact that you would seriously propose the viability of the green glass option, clearly illustrates the extremity of the situation

 

Trump's appointment of Tillerson was a serious error, but I think USG ME policy now is more about government procurement and military hardware than anything else. Look at the chart for Raytheon right after a significant missile launch. There is Big Money in the endless war game.

 

I think everyone here agrees with that, but there are a lot of Deep State warmongers out there including many Republicans. MoJo , has put together an interesting little list of people to ignore whenever they urge more war.

"At the top of this list, of course, are the key architects and salespeople of that war: Bush, Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. None of these people should be given a podium—unless they come clean with the mother of all mea culpas. Colin Powell, the secretary of state at the time, may be a slightly different case. He became the No. 1 pitchman for the war, delivering an important speech at the United Nations weeks before the invasion to lay out the case for military intervention, but he was widely known at the time to be hesitant about the assault. He still has not disavowed his support for the attack, but he did concede in 2015 that the Bush-Cheney administration made “terrible strategic mistakes” during the war."
MOTHER JONES, With a War Against Iran Brewing, Don’t Listen to the Hawks Who Lied Us Into Iraq, Here we go again., BY DAVID CORN, MATT COHEN, 1/3/20.
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...nt-listen-to-the-hawks-who-lied-us-into-iraq/

 

Hope you are right. For I was shocked when we invaded Iraq given that bush senior said after Kuwait that the US does not invade and do regime change . This was in response to hawks asking him why we didnt march into iraq and take down saddam

 

I rely on hard facts. I do not use RP talking points because, IMO, the RP is still the "Stupid Party" even though the "D" in DP may stand for "Dumber" now.
Trump's opposition, so far, has relied, almost exclusively, on absurd conspiracy theories and pure fiction. Which is not to say that I want to discourage DP/RP reliance on that tactic.

 

Yeah, just let Iran backed militias to continue to attack and kill Americans. Brilliant!

 

After that regime change was an Obama doctrine through proxies. Libya and Syria come to mind.

 

You didnt answer his question Artful Dodger!

Ike saw the militaty industrial complex arise and its growing influence and power. It has grown since thr Ike era .

Before Ike the highest decorayrd marine Gen. Butler wrote a pamplet telling us that most war is a racket waged to enrich a few elites

Butler also busted out the planned coup against fdr concocted by a cadre of very rich Americans .

To call any of this tin foil hat material is either being stupid, naive or a damned liar. Imo most denial is being naive in how reality has played out historically.

 

Iran, which represents the 10% Shia minority of Islam, is a natural ally of the US. It has taken a century of ham fisted stupid USG interference in Iran to, I think, permanently alienate Iran from the US. The USG hawks love the KSA and hate Iran - it really is the damndest thing.

 

Bonespurs doesn't seem to consider the potential consequences of his actions.

 

Ike knew this and warned us about it to no avail.

 

And USG "strategists" become very angry when they are exposed as the treacherous fools they really are. That's why Gen. Flynn has to go to jail. The whole truth in Washington is a felony.

“The White House decided to support armed rebels in Syria despite intelligence warnings forecasting the rise of the Islamic State.

In Al Jazeera’s latest Head to Head episode, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Michael Flynn confirms to Mehdi Hasan that not only had he studied the DIA memo predicting the West’s backing of an Islamic State in Syria when it came across his desk in 2012, but even asserts that the White House’s sponsoring of radical jihadists (that would emerge as ISIL and Nusra) against the Syrian regime was “a willful decision.” [Lengthy discussion of the DIA memo begins at the 8:50 mark.]”
FOREIGN POLICY JOURNAL, Rise of Islamic State was ‘a willful decision’: Former DIA Chief Michael Flynn, By Brad Hoff | Aug 7, 2015 | Middle East, News & Analysis, US | 39 |.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.co...lful-decision-former-dia-chief-michael-flynn/

 

We should have taken him out in '91 when we had him pin pointed and dead to rights. The invasion in 2003 was no shock, we literally telegraphed exactly what we were going to do and dared him to defend against it. Instead, he ran and had no allied to help him.

 

Ike was right. So was George Washington.

"Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people under an efficient government. the period is not far off when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality we may at any time resolve upon to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel.

Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor or caprice?"
Transcript of President George Washington's Farewell Address (1796)
https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=15&page=transcript

 

Yes, Smedley Butler, "Old Gimlet Eye" saved the Union by blowing the whistle on that very dangerous conspiracy.

 

IMO, If we were determined to take out Saddam, we should have done it after he installed viable secular governments in the KSA and the other Gulf states.

 

Who suggested we invade Iran?

 

Nah. Weve got tens of thousands of missiles that have upcoming expiration dates. Costs us nothing.

I think we're good.