WATCH LIVE | Impeachment trial of President Trump continues in Senate (Day 2)

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The court intervenes disputes between the executive and congress. You don’t know this?
     
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  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Baseless because the House didn’t follow process.
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, no subpoenas so...
     
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    Seems to me that had the President NOT released the transcript itself, he would have more of an argument. The transcript corroborates the Whistle Blower's complaint. That plus the Intelligence IG and the DNI (both Trump appointees) reached the same conclusion regarding the complaint as "credible and urgent." That took it to the House Intelligence Committee, where 17 witnesses appeared, essentially also corroborating the WB's complaint.
     
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    So the only reason you want to talk to the whistleblower is because you want to prosecute the whistleblower or others.

    Glad you can admit such.
     
  6. Gatewood

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    It is only proper to discover which Dem Party organization recruited, coached, and then paid said politically partisan whistleblower. Sedition is actually illegal.
     
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    Then launch your own investigation to pursue your conspiracy theory if you can. There is zero reason to believe any portion of your conspiracy theory currently.
     
  8. BuckyBadger

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    Find out what he was involved in, legally or illegally. Was it a targeted hit?

    Yea, we need to know about this. Just like we need to know where and how the Russian Hoax got started.
     
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    I like that he released the transcript. I really think two things are at plat: 1) Biden's were involved in something shady 2) Trump knew it and wants it investigated.

    I am OK with that. I feel as the top law enforcement officer in the nation, the President should be able to look into nefarious activity that involved the former VP. Especially when it comes to using a foreign gov't to get his family paid.

    I want to see the report and what the IG and the DNI were told about the call. Maybe they were misled like the FISA courts were. If this was a targeted hit on the President by Democrats, I want to know about it. If that is a fact, I want those who perpetrated the hit to go to prison.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Schiff conspired with Ciaramella and Misko to overturn the results of the 2016 election and overthrow a sitting President, it's treason. Inquiring minds want to know.

    I say they finish up Trump's acquittal before the State of the Union Address, and then have the Senate Intelligence Committee open an investigation of the whistleblower and the head of the House Intelligence Committee.
     
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    In regard to the President's behavior and actions, it really doesn't matter whether it was "targeted" or not. You seem to be arguing a sort of "entrapment defense." Releasing the transcript was "hiding in plain sight." The demand to hear from the WB does two things: 1) it's a diversion; 2) it would discourage other potential future Whistle Blowers.
     
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    But it does. If you uncover crimes that the former Administration did and it ties into the Russian Hoax and into election meddling, then the President has every right to ask Ukraine to look into it.

    Besides, the Russian hoax is now a criminal investigation and this might help Durham in his investigation. They very well could be tied together.

    I have no issue with President Trump looking into this. I have serious issues with Joe Biden using his position as VP to get his son paid.
     
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    Wow--his post was nothing but made up conspiracy nonsense.
     
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    If the President believes these things, he should have called his AG, not his personal lawyer. The AG would then evaluate whether or not the President has sufficient "probable cause." If so, he would proceed by contacting the FBI and ordering an investigation, which could include contacting the FBI representative in our Ukrainian embassy, to contact the appropriate Ukrainian authorities. So...let's call the AG as a witness and let him explain the President's request and "the probable cause." But, aside from Biden, remember that the President apparently wanted a "do-over" on the Mueller Report, which had concluded that the Russians were behind the DNC and Clinton campaign hacking...not Ukraine. And, the Mueller Report had been accepted by his AG and basically cleared him of conspiracy with the Russians. Why reopen the investigation?
     
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    Maybe. Why not get his own team, that he could trust, to look into things? Maybe the DOJ knew about it and didn't care.

    Trump wants a resolution to the conduct perpetrated by the former Administration on the Russian Hoax and how it started. Mueller already exonerated President Trump at great cost to the nation. It was a witch hunt and we all know the real investigation should have been into Obama and his spy ring and how deep it went.
     
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    Setting aside the massive conflict of interest this creates, the use of his "own team" means that his people can break the law with zero accountability.
     
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    the WB isn’t being impeached. If the DOJ thinks the WB broke a law, then they are free to investigate.
     
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    Where does the constitution say impeachment requires judicial consent?
     
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    Really? How would the leaker be impeached? You just make up nonsense and post it?

    The leaker should be investigated to see if he broke the law because evidence coming out appears to point to this.
     
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    So investigate him. We have a DOJ for that.
     
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    I agree with that.
     
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    Why, that's an excellent question!

    I keep asking the trumpers why a body the Constitution grants "sole power" to impeach magically requires that body to scamper off to federal court when a "presuhdint" refuses to cooperate with that body's authority to carry out that "sole power".

    They don't seem to have answers.
     
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    All those who say abuse of power isn’t in the constitution now pretend that executive privilege is!
     
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    Trial just started back up.

    Democrats have 16 hours and 42 minutes left to make their case.

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    The AG is the top member of his "team," on legal issues affecting the national interest.
     

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