Why aren't Crooked Donald's lawyers contesting the facts?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no House legal team!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Executive Privilege has it's reasons. Every President uses it. The Court could overturn it. They never took him to court. Guess they felt he had good reason.
     
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    Ah, but they are so skilled in mind reading that they believe their assumptions are facts.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe your right. The left wing pundits think Schiff is a legal genius but I tend to agree with you. He is a pompous ass with an agenda since 2016.
     
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    LOL! The Senate tries the case not investigates. I thought the House claimed they had an air tight case.....why are more witnesses needed?
     
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    You're making quite a few presumptions. They had more than enough evidence to impeach. That doesn't mean they had all the evidence and that is partly because Trump obstructed the House's investigation and even admitted to it (yet another piece of evidence). But just because there's enough evidence doesn't mean there's no reason to uncover and present more evidence that they didn't already have. Whether they did their job or not is subjective and they possibly could have done more, I don't know. But from my perspective their job was to investigate and impeach based on the evidence and the result of their investigation. The Senate's job is now to review the evidence and collect as much evidence as is available and required to affirm the conclusion of the House or acquit. About half the Senate has already compromised and corrupted the process by pre-announcing that they will not be impartial and will work with the impeached party to acquit. That is the equivalent of a prosecutor working with the accused to get the accused acquitted and publicly announcing exactly that agenda.
     
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    There is no such power granted to the Executive branch (Article II) by the Constitution and the 10th Amendment prohibits the federal government (all 3 branches) from seizing powers not specifically granted to it. A simple reading of the Constitution should reveal that neither the term nor the specific intent exists in the Constitution. So Executive Privilege is an invention the same as the power to "interpret" the Constitution, a power seized by SCOTUS in Marbury v Madison (1803) that was never granted in Article III of the Constitution. In a Constitutional Republic no one is above the law and no one has immunity from the law (i.e. the Constitution), not even the President. Executive Privilege is the equivalent of the "divine right of Kings" which is the very reason this nation was founded, to eradicate this authoritarian myth. A President can use Executive Privilege as an excuse to commit all sorts of crimes. That every President used it does not change these truths. A government is only a government when its primary mandate is to secure the individual rights of The People. Once it fails to operate under that agenda it is no longer a government, it is then a rogue criminal enterprise. Read the Declaration of Independence, our founding document, it says exactly that. See also my signature, a quotation from the Declaration.

    "Everything Hitler did was legal." - Martin Luther King Jr.

    The House is not obligated to turn to SCOTUS to exercise its constitutionally granted power to impeach the President. The ONLY function SCOTUS has in the impeachment process is that the Chief Justice acts as the judge during the Senate trial. In fact by turning to SCOTUS the House shows that its power to impeach is ineffective by itself and requires SCOTUS to exercise it. That would set a dangerous precedent.
     
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    Are you denying that your criminal IMPOTUS was demanding that Ukraine began an investigation into his 2020 campaign rival?

    Are you denying that your criminal IMPOTUS capriciously withheld funds for the purposes of pressuring Ukraine and FAILED to notify Congress as per the REQUIREMENTS of the Law of the Land?

    Are you NITPICKING because you don't have a LEGITIMATE basis for your criminal IMPOTUS's VIOLATION of the OVERSIGHT POWERS of Congress?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You are still in DENIAL!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Asinine non sequitur!

    Your criminal IMPOTUS swore an OATH to UPHOLD the Law of the Land!

    Are you saying that he has some imaginary "superpower" that allows him to VIOLATE both his Oath of Office AND the Law of the Land?
     
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    Kneejerk denialism probably as a result of cognitive dissonance duly noted FTR.
     
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    PROVE that there are "no crimes listed in the articles of impeachment" because YOU are the one making that absurd allegation.

    Produce the TEXT of the AOI and EXPLAIN how each part does NOT refer to any crimes.

    ONUS is on YOU to prove your position or accept that you are just pulling this crap from your nether regions!
     
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    Where is YOUR evidence that Clinton "committed a felony by lying to congress" or is that just your erroneous FACTLESS opinion?
     
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    Thank you for PROVING that @fmw is 100% WRONG by fallaciously alleging that Clinton "committed a felony by lying to congress"!
     
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    WRONG yet again!

    Vindland was ON THE CALL itself and REPORTED it IMMEDIATELY to his superiors!

    And yes, you are STILL in denial!
     
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    Where is the FBI "investigation" into the alleged "crimes or corruption" by Biden?

    You CANNOT "solicit mutual cooperation" WITHOUT an existing investigation in progress!

    FACTS matter!
     
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    Mulvaney PUBLICLY ADMITTED that there was a QPQ!
     
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    Vindman REPORTED the call to his superiors!
     
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    If Joe Biden tried to EXTORT Ukraine for his OWN PERSONAL GAIN it would have been an impeachable offense!

    Biden did nothing of the sort but your criminal IMPOTUS DID commit that impeachable offense!
     
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    Kneejerk denialism does not alter his testimony one iota!
     
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    Of source there is. Solicitation to comity a crime, is a crime. Always has been. But, because the president is above federal law his supporters keep telling us, impeachment becomes a political matter.

    The highest crime listed is treason. Disrupting our election system by involving a foreign power to help and be rewarded is not treason ? The list goes on....that there is “no collusion is strictly a delusion” on the part of his naive supporters. You’re locked into OJ witticisms ( the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit) none of which is true, but it makes self denial easier for his supporters to swallow.
     
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    And, just a guess, Trump the traitor of OZ would be screaming “treason” to all his munchkins he’s surrounded himself in Govt....the head munchkin being lardo Barr with sidekick Rudy the vampire, all echoing his cry’s.
     
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    What is laughable are the dem senators who parade around thinking the repugs senators are actually listening to the evidence. They aren’t . It’s an act to pretend they care so they can feel better about closing the trial before the Super Bowl.

    The biggest mistake the Dems are making, is to not be talking directly to the SCJ sitting right behind them. They have to force him into making rulings even if they can he can be over turned by senators. He’s in the political area ! Use him.

    Bet your collective butts repubs would if it were them. The Dems are softballers worried about the long game and future elections. Repugs only care about their base, now. Fox state TV coverage or lack of, proves it.
     
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    Are you saying that the Constitution has suddenly been suspended so that the defendant no longer has the right to defend himself.
     
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    They have zero evidence of their narrative. Only presumption and hearsay. They rushed to trail.
     
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